[Gmaf6]

I've never been to The Villages UF Hospital but in the last 10 months have been to UF Shands twice and Leesburg once. I received excellent care in both places - from Doctors, to Nurses, to Admitting and beyond. It's true that many are older - also, CoVid has taken its toll on staffing. I understand that UF recently acquired both TV Hospital as well as Leesburg. It takes time to make changes when one acquires a new business or corporation, so let's give them the time to do so. They are also building a new teaching hospital in the Southern Oaks area so that should help.

[Vikingjunior]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Median age Gainesville = 26.3
Average Age The Villages = 71 or 72

Wonder where the better health outcomes will be?

It's not about outcomes, it's about quality of care. This is not a comparison of how many people die in TVH vs Shands. I’ve been to both hospitals and TVH doesn't even come close.

If you want to make the comparison that Shands is a Trauma Center and TVH is not, that is fair, but don't try to throw age into this.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Vikingjunior

It's not about outcomes, it's about quality of care. This is not a comparison of how many people die in TVH vs Shands. I’ve been to both hospitals and TVH doesn't even come close.

If you want to make the comparison that Shands is a Trauma Center and TVH is not, that is fair, but don't try to throw age into this.

But he was absolutely correct to "throw age into it". The metrics that CMS uses to rate the "quality" of hospitals is partially dependent on mortality and readmission data, both of which are much, much higher with a more aged patient population.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by joelfmi

One of the most important reason for seniors to move to an area55+ community I think is health care for seniors. I could never buy at TV for this terrible reason. Most of the stuff said is made of smoke and mirrors. If you like golf and if possible to get a tee time and like cowds thats the place to buy otherwise move on.

Originally Posted by Bjeanj

Based on what you said, it makes me wonder why you are even on TOTV. What’s your interest? I’m curious.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Nobody here is likely to miss you

Hey Joe, went and looked at your past posts. Sure were/are a vast number of uninformed and false slamming of just about everything.

[BlueStarAirlines]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

I agree with the above comment, there may be a bias in the CMS 'grading' system due to the very large older population.

I initially thought the same thing, but since I have family that is down in Sun City Center, FL I looked at their hospital. Ranked much higher with a just as old population. Their hospital is smaller, which makes sense since it is a smaller location.

If what everyone is reporting is accurate regarding the long waits in the ER, etc, that is a staffing and protocol issue. I'm wondering if the re-hospitalization rates are an indication of folks being discharged too soon. Either issue points to a management and poor protocol adherence.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Vikingjunior

It's not about outcomes, it's about quality of care. This is not a comparison of how many people die in TVH vs Shands. I’ve been to both hospitals and TVH doesn't even come close.

If you want to make the comparison that Shands is a Trauma Center and TVH is not, that is fair, but don't try to throw age into this.

Thanks, I just assumed since the original post referenced a rating based on health outcomes, the purpose was health outcomes.
“The CMS (Medicare) rating is based on health outcomes + is used across the US. It's on Medicare dot gov. “

[coralway]

Originally Posted by ChrisTee

What can be done about the very low 2 CMS rating for TVH hospital (UF)? I'd like to move to TV but can't figure out what is being done to raise it.

The CMS (Medicare) rating is based on health outcomes + is used across the US. It's on Medicare dot gov.

*Even if you had a good experience, the facts - the data for TVH are POOR. The facts are that many more people have very poor health outcomes at TV Hospital compared to hospitals across the USA.

Are you OK with low quality care/bad health outcomes per CMS? The infection rate is awful as are many other scientific, CMS measures of care/outcomes at TVH.

There are many smart people in TV. What if you or loved one need a CMS rated 3, 4, or 5 star hospital. Today - Now? Why shouldn't you have that basic option in TV - locally? The good life + fun of TV pales pretty quick if you or loved one suffers or dies due to lack of an average or better rated hospital in town.

CMS - Medicare provides a real picture of the quality of care TV UF hospital provides. It's not a good picture. There is no good excuse - how many TVers have suffered or died? Who's next?

Will the rating improve? I hope so! TV is otherwise a very cool place to be!

Don't get sick - that's your best bet if you live here.

[BiPartisan]

Originally Posted by ChrisTee

What can be done about the very low 2 CMS rating for TVH hospital (UF)? I'd like to move to TV but can't figure out what is being done to raise it.

The CMS (Medicare) rating is based on health outcomes + is used across the US. It's on Medicare dot gov.

*Even if you had a good experience, the facts - the data for TVH are POOR. The facts are that many more people have very poor health outcomes at TV Hospital compared to hospitals across the USA.

Are you OK with low quality care/bad health outcomes per CMS? The infection rate is awful as are many other scientific, CMS measures of care/outcomes at TVH.

There are many smart people in TV. What if you or loved one need a CMS rated 3, 4, or 5 star hospital. Today - Now? Why shouldn't you have that basic option in TV - locally? The good life + fun of TV pales pretty quick if you or loved one suffers or dies due to lack of an average or better rated hospital in town.

CMS - Medicare provides a real picture of the quality of care TV UF hospital provides. It's not a good picture. There is no good excuse - how many TVers have suffered or died? Who's next?

Will the rating improve? I hope so! TV is otherwise a very cool place to be!

If your only concern about The Villages is the hospital rating, then don't come. You seem to be a good fit since you started complaining even before living here. Personally I have been at the The Villages hospital twice, both times excellent experience.

[Vikingjunior]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Thanks, I just assumed since the original post referenced a rating based on health outcomes, the purpose was health outcomes.
“The CMS (Medicare) rating is based on health outcomes + is used across the US. It's on Medicare dot gov. “

It's actually called a "5-star QUALITY rating system" do you think they're so dumb that they don't realize some hospitals are in senior communities which would lead to poorer outcomes. Come on.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But he was absolutely correct to "throw age into it". The metrics that CMS uses to rate the "quality" of hospitals is partially dependent on mortality and readmission data, both of which are much, much higher with a more aged patient population.

If the proper multivariate statistical model is formulated then the “score” will be adjusted to reflect different population age or other biases. Of course that assumes the government knows what it is doing.

[HORNET]

Had to use The Village hospital several times, I can’t say anything negative, and I get very defensive of those who have to find fault either The Village hospital. I don’t even want to say what I would like to reply to you

[NotGolfer]

I've been a pt. at TVH a number of times (2x/for surgery) and the care was fine. The ER as others stated really needs an over-hauling but from what I've heard they aren't run by TVH but have traveling nurses and drs. With Covid....the shortages of help is evident. I was just there about 4 wks ago and the ER experience was less-than. The care up stairs on the floor was good however. I had been told my issue would have been "life-threatening" if I'd not come in when I did, so when you hear words like that one is just grateful to be treated. My other half also has been a pt. at both hospitals and his care was very good. Remember T.V. was built in a rural area and NOT a metro-area of FL. Just saying....that you won't get a "Class A" hospital in a rural area. IF that's what you wanted, then maybe moving here wasn't in your best interest. It takes time for things to happen.....hospitals being built for one with people to staff it. I've noticed how people tend to want what they want, WHEN they want it. LIFE doesn't work that way.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by ChrisTee

What can be done about the very low 2 CMS rating for TVH hospital (UF)? I'd like to move to TV but can't figure out what is being done to raise it.

The CMS (Medicare) rating is based on health outcomes + is used across the US. It's on Medicare dot gov.

*Even if you had a good experience, the facts - the data for TVH are POOR. The facts are that many more people have very poor health outcomes at TV Hospital compared to hospitals across the USA.

Are you OK with low quality care/bad health outcomes per CMS? The infection rate is awful as are many other scientific, CMS measures of care/outcomes at TVH.

There are many smart people in TV. What if you or loved one need a CMS rated 3, 4, or 5 star hospital. Today - Now? Why shouldn't you have that basic option in TV - locally? The good life + fun of TV pales pretty quick if you or loved one suffers or dies due to lack of an average or better rated hospital in town.

CMS - Medicare provides a real picture of the quality of care TV UF hospital provides. It's not a good picture. There is no good excuse - how many TVers have suffered or died? Who's next?

Will the rating improve? I hope so! TV is otherwise a very cool place to be!

On one rating scale, all the hospitals in Ocala and the Villages get B ratings, largely because of having too many nosocomial infections—a hospital-acquired infection. Certainly older people are more likely to get these because they often have less competent immune systems, but also because they are more likely to be in the hospital longer for the same surgery or medical issue. Every day counts.

The solution is fanatical, operating-room level cleanliness throughout a hospital, not only among nurses but kitchen personnel and housekeeping staff. This takes a lot of training, a willingness to do something different and more difficult, and intelligence. When I was seventeen, I dropped out of high school and worked as a janitor in an operating room, somI learned how to clean at this level. Then, six months later, I became an operating room technician (scrub nurse), and I learned even more. Then a couple years later I became the surgical supervisor at a hospital in Africa with a 50% surgical infection rate. Within a few months, I had that down to 2%.

Most hospitals have infection review committees to figure out how an infection started and spread. However, training takes a lot of time and money and knowledge of technique.

The other big problem at all of these B-rated hospitals is doctors doing certain reviewed procedures such as coronary bypass or hip replacement who don’t do very many per year. The review boards know that a doctor who does a difficult surgery only half a dozen times a year usually is less proficient than one who does, say, six total hips per week.

The closest A-rated hospital is AdventHealth-Waterman. That’s where I go.

[Mrs. B]

I came from a Magnet, 5-star hospital 50 miles south of Chicago and am disappointed in the ratings for these hospitals. The Villages Hosp had just gotten a 1-star rating 2 years ago and have since been bought out by UF. These ratings are based on data from couple years past so I can only hope that the ratings continue to climb under UF. The hospital CEO is speaking at a VHA event on Dec. 8 which I would love to go to but am not a member (I might join just to listen to her presentation!)

[Djean1981]

I've read the Yelp and Google reviews (there are over 300), they are terrifying.