[bimmertl]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

BUT his child was not killed from this altercation ------ but his child now runs the risk of losing his Father, the Father's income and the home life he has enjoyed to this point.

Amazing "logic". So in the case of spousal or child abuse, don't report the abuser since the family might lose the abuser and his income and the "enjoyable" home life.

The son didn't report the beating to the police, the school ultimately did. Teachers are mandatory reporters of child abuse for a good reason.

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[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Amazing "logic". So in the case of spousal or child abuse, don't report the abuser since the family might lose the abuser and his income and the "enjoyable" home life.

The son didn't report the beating to the police, the school ultimately did. Teachers are mandatory reporters of child abuse for a good reason.

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You have no idea whether this was child abuse or not! Jumping to conclusions without know the facts.

[jbdlfan]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Hopefully it's going to be a lesson learned by all concerned. If it is a case of a father/son rubbing each other the wrong way then I have to believe that TV will stand behind him. I am also going to assume that the children and the wife, plus his co-workers will be called to speak on his behalf. If this is not the case then he is real trouble.

The kid was smacked. Then the father CONTINUED the attack. Should he loose his job, not sure about that yet. Kid pushed buttons? Yep, that's what kids do. But I see this on a regular basis. Parents will say their hands are tied because they can't discipline. But those same parents still allow the kids cell phones, video games, computer time and other privileges. Hands aren't tied, parents just don't want to parent because it's inconvenient to them.

[quirky3]

Justice is (or should be) blind, and based only on the facts, not on the resume of the arrested person. Treat him no differently than anyone else. Consider the possibility that the wife walked away because she couldn't sustain one more beating herself.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by gjbl8114

So what!!!! These days you can't discipline your children without someone threatening you with child abuse.... You will note that the son didn't do the reporting of the incident. That probably says it all.... Give the guy a break. Regardless of the whole story, it's embarrasing enough for the family, give it a break folks......

One day I was standing in line waiting for a RX. There was a mother and small child behind me and the child(about 5) kept whining for a candy bar. The mother repeatedly said, no. The child then threatened his mother that he would go to school and tell his teacher that his mother abused him if he didn't get the candy bar. Jeesh! We have lost all control over children.

[blueash]

For those who feel that a mouthy son deserves to be pummeled to preserve discipline in the home, you had better also believe that a wife deserves the same, and of course an employee at work and a server slow with a refill perhaps. NO ONE has any right to expect to be able to strike someone without legal consequences. There are well defined terms for what discipline constitutes normal and when it crosses the line to become abusive. The comment repeatedly made that you cannot physically discipline your child is completely wrong, but there is a line in physical discipline which when crossed becomes abusive. I don't care whether he spent all day doing paperwork that is absolutely no excuse for bruising your wife, your child, nor what I think some on this forum would believe is worse your dog.

Let the system work this out. There will be an evaluation of the incident and the family. That evaluation will, as it should be, kept private unless it needs to be included in any court proceedings. We all have our stresses, we all sometimes feel anger and have our button pushed. Hitting a family member out of anger is always wrong. If you don't share that I feel sorry for those who have to live with the threat of your next "justified" assault. Stop blaming the victim. Women don't ask to be raped because of how they dress and men have hormones that are hard to control. Stop blaming the victim. Teens don't ask to be beaten because of what they say and parents have needs for respect that are hard to control.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by blueash

For those who feel that a mouthy son deserves to be pummeled to preserve discipline in the home, you had better also believe that a wife deserves the same, and of course an employee at work and a server slow with a refill perhaps. NO ONE has any right to expect to be able to strike someone without legal consequences. There are well defined terms for what discipline constitutes normal and when it crosses the line to become abusive. The comment repeatedly made that you cannot physically discipline your child is completely wrong, but there is a line in physical discipline which when crossed becomes abusive. I don't care whether he spent all day doing paperwork that is absolutely no excuse for bruising your wife, your child, nor what I think some on this forum would believe is worse your dog.

Let the system work this out. There will be an evaluation of the incident and the family. That evaluation will, as it should be, kept private unless it needs to be included in any court proceedings. We all have our stresses, we all sometimes feel anger and have our button pushed. Hitting a family member out of anger is always wrong. If you don't share that I feel sorry for those who have to live with the threat of your next "justified" assault. Stop blaming the victim. Women don't ask to be raped because of how they dress and men have hormones that are hard to control. Stop blaming the victim. Teens don't ask to be beaten because of what they say and parents have needs for respect that are hard to control.

Wonderful post :-)

[LndLocked]

I must wonder if those people that seem to be so willing to blame a "mouthy" teenage CHILD and give the ADULT that was arrested so much slack, would be willing to do so if this story did not have a TV connection??????????????????????????????

[Chi-Town]

People can argue as to the severity of his actions, but the real test of stupidity is how much he blabbed without a lawyer present.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

BUT his child was not killed from this altercation ------ but his child now runs the risk of losing his Father, the Father's income and the home life he has enjoyed to this point.

huh??? losing the father's income??? what! and the "home life he has enjoyed" ??? all I can say is wow.... omg...

[samhass]

Originally Posted by blueash

For those who feel that a mouthy son deserves to be pummeled to preserve discipline in the home, you had better also believe that a wife deserves the same, and of course an employee at work and a server slow with a refill perhaps. NO ONE has any right to expect to be able to strike someone without legal consequences. There are well defined terms for what discipline constitutes normal and when it crosses the line to become abusive. The comment repeatedly made that you cannot physically discipline your child is completely wrong, but there is a line in physical discipline which when crossed becomes abusive. I don't care whether he spent all day doing paperwork that is absolutely no excuse for bruising your wife, your child, nor what I think some on this forum would believe is worse your dog.

Let the system work this out. There will be an evaluation of the incident and the family. That evaluation will, as it should be, kept private unless it needs to be included in any court proceedings. We all have our stresses, we all sometimes feel anger and have our button pushed. Hitting a family member out of anger is always wrong. If you don't share that I feel sorry for those who have to live with the threat of your next "justified" assault. Stop blaming the victim. Women don't ask to be raped because of how they dress and men have hormones that are hard to control. Stop blaming the victim. Teens don't ask to be beaten because of what they say and parents have needs for respect that are hard to control.

Absolutely correct.

[jhrc4]

Originally Posted by blueash

For those who feel that a mouthy son deserves to be pummeled to preserve discipline in the home, you had better also believe that a wife deserves the same, and of course an employee at work and a server slow with a refill perhaps. NO ONE has any right to expect to be able to strike someone without legal consequences. There are well defined terms for what discipline constitutes normal and when it crosses the line to become abusive. The comment repeatedly made that you cannot physically discipline your child is completely wrong, but there is a line in physical discipline which when crossed becomes abusive. I don't care whether he spent all day doing paperwork that is absolutely no excuse for bruising your wife, your child, nor what I think some on this forum would believe is worse your dog.

Let the system work this out. There will be an evaluation of the incident and the family. That evaluation will, as it should be, kept private unless it needs to be included in any court proceedings. We all have our stresses, we all sometimes feel anger and have our button pushed. Hitting a family member out of anger is always wrong. If you don't share that I feel sorry for those who have to live with the threat of your next "justified" assault. Stop blaming the victim. Women don't ask to be raped because of how they dress and men have hormones that are hard to control. Stop blaming the victim. Teens don't ask to be beaten because of what they say and parents have needs for respect that are hard to control.

I totally agree with this post, probably the best one of all. This guy in my opinion finally got Caught, his son got hurt thankfully not seriously.

We'll see how this plays out in court, clearly that's where it is going to end up. Next up when he finally has to face the Judge for all you supporters of the Accused ask yourselves this, Will he take the Stand in his own defense or Hide behind some Slick Lawyer out of Orlando.

[rubicon]

Response specific to this situation would be difficult because we are not aware of the family situation and in particular the facts and circumstances that preceded this altercation

Generally speaking I have witnessed children who have abused their parents but because of laws parents are tethered to their chairs.

Conversely I have witnessed parents abuse their children, some of whom ended up being arrested.

the bible says spare the rod and spoil the child to which Dr. Spock defined as abuse.

So how do we define abuse. Once schools were allowed to use the paddle. I know I held the record for whacks in my freshman year. Today its an excellent basis for a lawsuit against the teacher , school and city/state

The problem with this subject is that it is labeled abuse vis a vis discipline today. so how do you defend the negative connotation of abuse?

[QueenBee1]

Originally Posted by blueash

For those who feel that a mouthy son deserves to be pummeled to preserve discipline in the home, you had better also believe that a wife deserves the same, and of course an employee at work and a server slow with a refill perhaps. NO ONE has any right to expect to be able to strike someone without legal consequences. There are well defined terms for what discipline constitutes normal and when it crosses the line to become abusive. The comment repeatedly made that you cannot physically discipline your child is completely wrong, but there is a line in physical discipline which when crossed becomes abusive. I don't care whether he spent all day doing paperwork that is absolutely no excuse for bruising your wife, your child, nor what I think some on this forum would believe is worse your dog.

Let the system work this out. There will be an evaluation of the incident and the family. That evaluation will, as it should be, kept private unless it needs to be included in any court proceedings. We all have our stresses, we all sometimes feel anger and have our button pushed. Hitting a family member out of anger is always wrong. If you don't share that I feel sorry for those who have to live with the threat of your next "justified" assault. Stop blaming the victim. Women don't ask to be raped because of how they dress and men have hormones that are hard to control. Stop blaming the victim. Teens don't ask to be beaten because of what they say and parents have needs for respect that are hard to control.

I Totally Agree, Great post

[DINTY]

Originally Posted by LndLocked

I must wonder if those people that seem to be so willing to blame a "mouthy" teenage CHILD and give the ADULT that was arrested so much slack, would be willing to do so if this story did not have a TV connection??????????????????????????????

It is 'generally' safe to assume that incidents as this are not 'first time events.' One would hope that anger management will be an outcome especially if the family will not press charges ... (which would not be unusual) ... even though he has currently been barred from the family home.