[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

One day I was standing in line waiting for a RX. There was a mother and small child behind me and the child(about 5) kept whining for a candy bar. The mother repeatedly said, no. The child then threatened his mother that he would go to school and tell his teacher that his mother abused him if he didn't get the candy bar. Jeesh! We have lost all control over children.

That's an interesting story.

We should wait and see what facts come out in this if they ever do about the Fire Chief's case.

I am certainly against blaming the victim but life is seldom filled with black and white answers as to who did the wrongdoing. That is why we have jury trials and the test of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. And even then it is a guess as to what actually happened in the whole matter as with the Caylee Anthony death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony

[Halle]

Originally Posted by blueash

For those who feel that a mouthy son deserves to be pummeled to preserve discipline in the home, you had better also believe that a wife deserves the same, and of course an employee at work and a server slow with a refill perhaps. NO ONE has any right to expect to be able to strike someone without legal consequences. There are well defined terms for what discipline constitutes normal and when it crosses the line to become abusive. The comment repeatedly made that you cannot physically discipline your child is completely wrong, but there is a line in physical discipline which when crossed becomes abusive. I don't care whether he spent all day doing paperwork that is absolutely no excuse for bruising your wife, your child, nor what I think some on this forum would believe is worse your dog.

Let the system work this out. There will be an evaluation of the incident and the family. That evaluation will, as it should be, kept private unless it needs to be included in any court proceedings. We all have our stresses, we all sometimes feel anger and have our button pushed. Hitting a family member out of anger is always wrong. If you don't share that I feel sorry for those who have to live with the threat of your next "justified" assault. Stop blaming the victim. Women don't ask to be raped because of how they dress and men have hormones that are hard to control. Stop blaming the victim. Teens don't ask to be beaten because of what they say and parents have needs for respect that are hard to control.

I agree, I also believe this was probably not the first such incident in that household or the mother would not have walked away.

[dillywho]

I agree that all the facts are not in and that everything on here (and other forums) is strictly speculation. Maybe the "child" is 17...which is under the age of 18, as described in the paper. Maybe the mother walked away because the son totally disrespected her and not his dad so she let him handle it. How can they have 4 boys and this is by all appearances that any "abuse" exists? Point is, we don't know for sure.

People were so fast to defend Zimmerman and say that Martin should not be being called a child because he was 17 and "big". Either 17 is a child or it isn't....can't have it both ways.

My parents practiced corporal punishment when my brother and I were growing up. We sometimes had bruises and switch marks, too. (We even had to go out and pick our own switches and they had best be good ones, too!) None of which were permanent or life-threatening "injuries". We simply learned what was and was not acceptable behavior and "mouthing off" was definitely not acceptable! Nor was lying, stealing, not doing what you were told, etc. We were definitely loved and had no doubts about it, but we had limits and consequences when those limits were breached. We both became successful, respectful, and respected adults who brought up our children to be the same. You would be hard-pressed to find a kinder, gentler soul than my brother. Our self-image remained intact, as well. It did not teach us to be violent, either. We were taught to search for the good in others and to remember that any board always has two sides, just as any story.

My dad had guns but we both knew better than to touch them under any circumstances! We were not allowed to play with his hat(s) even. He never went anywhere without a hat and it was removed the minute he entered our house or any other building. He never served in the military (too young for one war and too old for the other), ALWAYS stood for the National Anthem and the flag. His hat immediately came off then, too. Unfortunately, that is so often not taught nor practiced anymore.

Sorry for the rant, but I still try to follow my parents teachings and see things from more than one angle. Were they perfect? Absolutely not, but they always had our best interests at heart. One of the hardest things I ever did was have surgery without my mother there because she had died the year before.

Little humor here: My dad once cut down my mother's rose bushes because I fell into them and got hurt. He also got rid of their chickens the same day the old rooster attacked me. He covered my body with his when a plane crashed in the alley in back of our house because he thought it was coming right into our house. That, my friends, is love.

[DaleMN]

Only a short list of people know what happened. All others are just speculating according to their view of the world.

[Hacker1]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I agree that all the facts are not in and that everything on here (and other forums) is strictly speculation. Maybe the "child" is 17...which is under the age of 18, as described in the paper. Maybe the mother walked away because the son totally disrespected her and not his dad so she let him handle it. How can they have 4 boys and this is by all appearances that any "abuse" exists? Point is, we don't know for sure.

People were so fast to defend Zimmerman and say that Martin should not be being called a child because he was 17 and "big". Either 17 is a child or it isn't....can't have it both ways.

My parents practiced corporal punishment when my brother and I were growing up. We sometimes had bruises and switch marks, too. (We even had to go out and pick our own switches and they had best be good ones, too!) None of which were permanent or life-threatening "injuries". We simply learned what was and was not acceptable behavior and "mouthing off" was definitely not acceptable! Nor was lying, stealing, not doing what you were told, etc. We were definitely loved and had no doubts about it, but we had limits and consequences when those limits were breached. We both became successful, respectful, and respected adults who brought up our children to be the same. You would be hard-pressed to find a kinder, gentler soul than my brother. Our self-image remained intact, as well. It did not teach us to be violent, either. We were taught to search for the good in others and to remember that any board always has two sides, just as any story.

My dad had guns but we both knew better than to touch them under any circumstances! We were not allowed to play with his hat(s) even. He never went anywhere without a hat and it was removed the minute he entered our house or any other building. He never served in the military (too young for one war and too old for the other), ALWAYS stood for the National Anthem and the flag. His hat immediately came off then, too. Unfortunately, that is so often not taught nor practiced anymore.

Sorry for the rant, but I still try to follow my parents teachings and see things from more than one angle. Were they perfect? Absolutely not, but they always had our best interests at heart. One of the hardest things I ever did was have surgery without my mother there because she had died the year before.

Little humor here: My dad once cut down my mother's rose bushes because I fell into them and got hurt. He also got rid of their chickens the same day the old rooster attacked me. He covered my body with his when a plane crashed in the alley in back of our house because he thought it was coming right into our house. That, my friends, is love.

This, INMHO, is the best post so far. Very disapointing that so many on here seem to be so ready to convict the Chief b4 the evidence is in.

[Villager357]

I have sat here for the past two days and read post after post about this and a lot of you should be ashamed of your self. Reply after reply states "He's a nice guy", I read the Florida State Statute he was charged with several times and I have failed to find any exemptions in it that state its okay to leave marks on your child's head, neck, back, and ribs, if you are a "Nice Guy" and have done a lot for your community. I have a very close family friend that works for this "Nice Guy" and you should hear just some of the stories of how he treats his employee's. The moral in the fire department is at an all time low because of how he treats his employee's but I'm sure that's also okay because he is a "Nice Guy" and has done a lot for his community. I would relate the fire department to a rotten egg, it looks good on the outside but stinks on the inside and it's HIS FAULT, he is the one that has elected to treat his employees this way. The guys and girls that show up at your house when you call 911 are a GREAT bunch of people, now lets get them a leader that will appreciate them and treat them with respect.

[Villager357]

This type of behavior is nothing new for him and it's a behavior he's condone. Last year he had a supervisor place his hands on an employee, pushing him several times, and this "Nice Guy" allowed that supervisor to keep his job for several reasons, all of which I am sure are not exemptions in the Villages Human Resource Manual. However he are the reasons, the supervisor was a "Nice Guy", because he has done a lot for the fire department, and because of the time the supervisor worked for him. For this it's okay in the fire chief's mind to place your hands on another person. He needs to go and the Villages needs to make it very clear they do not condone this type of behavior. And for the Grandparents out there you need to make sure you voice this to the Villages.

[Happinow]

I think we know many "nice" people .......on the surface. None of us knows what goes on behind closed doors.

[tpop1]

Originally Posted by OldManTime

My prayers go out to Mike Tucker, he is a good man, his teenage kid pushed his button, and he reacted.

You gotta be kiddin me...I got my buttons pushed more times than an Empire State Building elevator button by my good kid and NEVER had a "tussle"!! And I have been accused (falsely I maintain ) of having a little temper.

Never tempted to lash out with fists... found other ways to discipline.

Mike Tucker may be a good man, and it may be too early to judge but that means we shouldn't judge either way! The quoted post may be blaming the victim!

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I agree that all the facts are not in and that everything on here (and other forums) is strictly speculation. Maybe the "child" is 17...which is under the age of 18, as described in the paper. Maybe the mother walked away because the son totally disrespected her and not his dad so she let him handle it. How can they have 4 boys and this is by all appearances that any "abuse" exists? Point is, we don't know for sure.

People were so fast to defend Zimmerman and say that Martin should not be being called a child because he was 17 and "big". Either 17 is a child or it isn't....can't have it both ways.

My parents practiced corporal punishment when my brother and I were growing up. We sometimes had bruises and switch marks, too. (We even had to go out and pick our own switches and they had best be good ones, too!) None of which were permanent or life-threatening "injuries". We simply learned what was and was not acceptable behavior and "mouthing off" was definitely not acceptable! Nor was lying, stealing, not doing what you were told, etc. We were definitely loved and had no doubts about it, but we had limits and consequences when those limits were breached. We both became successful, respectful, and respected adults who brought up our children to be the same. You would be hard-pressed to find a kinder, gentler soul than my brother. Our self-image remained intact, as well. It did not teach us to be violent, either. We were taught to search for the good in others and to remember that any board always has two sides, just as any story.

My dad had guns but we both knew better than to touch them under any circumstances! We were not allowed to play with his hat(s) even. He never went anywhere without a hat and it was removed the minute he entered our house or any other building. He never served in the military (too young for one war and too old for the other), ALWAYS stood for the National Anthem and the flag. His hat immediately came off then, too. Unfortunately, that is so often not taught nor practiced anymore.

Sorry for the rant, but I still try to follow my parents teachings and see things from more than one angle. Were they perfect? Absolutely not, but they always had our best interests at heart. One of the hardest things I ever did was have surgery without my mother there because she had died the year before.

Little humor here: My dad once cut down my mother's rose bushes because I fell into them and got hurt. He also got rid of their chickens the same day the old rooster attacked me. He covered my body with his when a plane crashed in the alley in back of our house because he thought it was coming right into our house. That, my friends, is love.

THIS BECOMES VERY DESTRUCTIVE FOR A FAMILY BUT THAT SAID, LET'S LOOL AT SOME FACTS. tUCHER WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGES AS HE WAS IF THE VICTIM WAS AN ADULT. SO WE CAN CONC LUDE HE WAS A MINOR. HIS MOTHER WAS PRESENT, THIS TELL US IT WAS A SON. HE HAD VISIBLE INJURIES THAT WERE VISIBLE TO CLASS MATES. TUCKER ADMITTED THERE WAS A TUSSLE, UNFORTUNATELY, "TUSSLES DON'T LEAVE SERIOUS MARKS ON ONES BODY. iT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN AUTHORITIES ARE FINALLY ALERTED TO ABUSE, THAT ABUSE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. IT SHOCKS ME THAT SOME POSTERS SEEM TO SUPPORT "WHOPPING" CHILDREN AT TIMES AND ALSO OTHERS BELIEVE A WHIPPING WITH A STICK MADE THEM BETTER PERSONS.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by mrsanborn

He made the 11PM news (Orlando local CBS affiliate) last night. He was being held without bond.

He is out on bond and staying with his mother.

[gomoho]

Until you walk in someone else's shoes...

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

THIS BECOMES VERY DESTRUCTIVE FOR A FAMILY BUT THAT SAID, LET'S LOOL AT SOME FACTS. tUCHER WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGES AS HE WAS IF THE VICTIM WAS AN ADULT. SO WE CAN CONC LUDE HE WAS A MINOR. HIS MOTHER WAS PRESENT, THIS TELL US IT WAS A SON. HE HAD VISIBLE INJURIES THAT WERE VISIBLE TO CLASS MATES. TUCKER ADMITTED THERE WAS A TUSSLE, UNFORTUNATELY, "TUSSLES DON'T LEAVE SERIOUS MARKS ON ONES BODY. iT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN AUTHORITIES ARE FINALLY ALERTED TO ABUSE, THAT ABUSE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. IT SHOCKS ME THAT SOME POSTERS SEEM TO SUPPORT "WHOPPING" CHILDREN AT TIMES AND ALSO OTHERS BELIEVE A WHIPPING WITH A STICK MADE THEM BETTER PERSONS.

[jhrc4]

Alright we have so many points in support of the accused " Alleged " cough, cough, Child abuser. My question to all of you here goes were you surprised that Casey Anthony was found " NOT GUILTY " . With that I along with others The Prosecution Rest

The guy is and always has been a bully and got caught finally, he is a coward, we'll see if he in his own defense takes the stand, after all he has pleaded " Not guilty ".

Right now he the Accused is living with his mother who is comforting him, and certainly reassure him like most mothers would do with there, there, Mike....eeeee, don't worry things will work out, and with Mike..., head on Mommy's shoulder will feel so relieved, and then the court date, Oh No, now what. Does He the Accused take the Stand ?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Response specific to this situation would be difficult because we are not aware of the family situation and in particular the facts and circumstances that preceded this altercation.

Originally Posted by gomoho

Until you walk in someone else's shoes...

I personally don't think we should be rushing to judgment until the facts of the situation are known. The media has already made corrections to some of their initial incorrect reports. So far, all we have is a lot of speculation and judgement, but few substantiated facts.