[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Rules are rules and not just when you feel like it.

Yes but the main argument here is how to enforce them (the rules) at the pools? Not sure what the pools are like in the 'on' season but when I was there in mid-May they were almost deserted. Quite often we were alone or maybe 4-6 others. Tough to justify any money being spent on a non-issue. Your KB's example is a good one. When it became a problem they did something about it. Up to that point is wasn't worth the effort (or money).

Just my 2C.

[bkcunningham1]

I think checking ID cards leads to racial profiling and is unConstitutional.

What, I'm in the wrong forum.

[Pturner]

Apparently the water in the pool is NOT the Kool Aid.

[Pats2010]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I think checking ID cards leads to racial profiling and is unConstitutional.

What, I'm in the wrong forum.

Good one!!!!

[BlueHeronFan]

I'm still somewhat new here, but I did notice during the college spring break period the pools were very crowed with underage visitors (20 somethings) at the local neighborhood pool. Not me, but somebody must have complained, because it seems right after, the card checks started in earnest.

Maybe it was just a coincidence. As this is our first summer season here.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by BlueHeronFan

I'm still somewhat new here, but I did notice during the college spring break period the pools were very crowed with underage visitors (20 somethings) at the local neighborhood pool. Not me, but somebody must have complained, because it seems right after, the card checks started in earnest.

Maybe it was just a coincidence. As this is our first summer season here.

I would think that's something to complain about. If I saw a large influx of younger people at the over 30 pools - I'd voice my concerns as well. We have a mechanism in place to handle 'that' crowd. Go to the nearest family pool!

Get off of my lawn you...

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

I would think that's something to complain about. If I saw a large influx of younger people at the over 30 pools - I'd voice my concerns as well. We have a mechanism in place to handle 'that' crowd. Go to the nearest family pool!

Get off of my lawn you...

What kind of message are young people getting when adults are willing to follow the rules only when:

1) something becomes a problem;
2) they agree with it;
3) it is convenient;
4) it doesn't conflict with what they want;
5) we don't want the grandkids to not like us (golf carts come to mind)?

Why set an age limit in the first place on certain pools if you only want it enforced if there gets to be a 'large influx of younger people'? What's the point of issuing ID's? And the list goes on.

Adults are supposed to be role models for young people. Isn't it about time to step up to the plate and do it instead of telling them one thing and doing another? I always tried to teach my kids to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do (didn't say I did it perfectly, but I did try). I fall flat on my face at times with the best of 'em. We're all human, but we can strive to do better.

Sure is hard sometimes, huh?

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by dillywho

What kind of message are young people getting when adults are willing to follow the rules only when:

1) something becomes a problem;
2) they agree with it;
3) it is convenient;
4) it doesn't conflict with what they want;
5) we don't want the grandkids to not like us (golf carts come to mind)?

Why set an age limit in the first place on certain pools if you only want it enforced if there gets to be a 'large influx of younger people'? What's the point of issuing ID's? And the list goes on.

Adults are supposed to be role models for young people. Isn't it about time to step up to the plate and do it instead of telling them one thing and doing another? I always tried to teach my kids to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do (didn't say I did it perfectly, but I did try). I fall flat on my face at times with the best of 'em. We're all human, but we can strive to do better.

Sure is hard sometimes, huh?

Let's assume we agree.

What would your suggestion be? And how would you propose to pay for it?

I don't mind complaints as long as someone offers a fully thought out suggestion.

[redwitch]

OK, I seem to be missing something. Where did Blue say it was an over-30 pool that had the kids in it? A "neighborhood" pool could be any type of pool. I imagine the kids were checked to ensure they were actual guests of residents rather than local kids using the facilities.

There's no question that if someone under 30 uses the sports/adult pools, they'll be booted out quickly -- I've seen residents confront some of the kids in a sports pool rather than waiting for someone in authority to do their jobs. But the family pools are another issue. They do become crowded during spring/summer breaks and it is hard to figure out who is truly legitimate and who isn't. Seems like an attendant wouldn't be a bad idea during high usage times.

Another reason to have someone at the family pools is that parents and grandparents really don't supervise the kids very well. Sooner or later a kid is going to slip and get a concussion running and jumping into the pools. Someone needs to stop this. (A much bigger issue to me.)

[Russ_Boston]

Red - I agree that safety should be priority #1 in the family pools and we should do what we can to ensure it.

If the 'over 30' pools have a few 20+ somethings or a few 'outsiders' in there when there are only 10 other people in a 25 yard pool with 30 empty lounge chairs I'm not about to raise a stink - rule or no rule.

[Army Guy]

The ID check, like the gates are to deter only which is a good, nothing is 100%, well except maybe the Gold at Fort Knox!

Army Guy

[bkcunningham1]

Russ, just for a point here, didn't I read that you are going to, or you have, a pool at your house. How would you feel if you came home and just a "few outsiders" were enjoying your pool?

I think the point is, if society keeps excusing some infractions in rules and laws - and just by the law of physics - this disregard we mirror to our children keeps snowballing into a much larger disregard for rules.

You may not raise a stink. But when the system of rules and laws get spoiled by a few bad apples, it is still rotten for people who follow the rules.

[Russ_Boston]

I see your point but I think we need to target our efforts towards the infractions that really make a difference and leave resident TV'ers owners out in the cold.

Such as: I know that the few times that I've been to one of the sports pools to do laps (Seabreeze for example) I was asked for my ID. Same goes for when we went to play water VB or exec golf. I just don't think we have the resources to marshal all 50+ pools especially during the slower seasons.

Your statement kind of makes my point - It's easy, and not costly for others, for me to be my own marshal at my house.


We've had numerous conversations on this forum about 'today's' kids. Personally, maybe because I'm somewhat younger and have younger kids myself, I don't think today's kids are all that bad. Sure there are some rotten apples but for the most part I see lot's of personably responsible ones as well. There are hundreds of laws on the books that are never enforced and the reason they are not is called reasonableness.

[dillywho]

I still have to disagree with you, Russ. The point is...if adults ignore rules and/or tell kids they don't have to follow them except under certain conditions, then what is that teaching them? Is it going to kill anyone if younger than the age limit or an "occasional" outsider uses the pool? No. If it's ok with you that they come in (outsiders), then find a way for them to share in the cost. Those pools are not on any individual's property, but we do pay for them. I don't go to the pools, but I don't mind paying my ammenities fees which include the pools because I chose to live here. Many of the outsiders choose not to live here so they don't have that expense but want to use the ammenities anyway. How is that fair to those of us who do? You can personally control who comes into yours and that's as it should be. Why can we not reasonably expect the same thing from the Villages pools?

You asked for my solution....everyone do the right thing and teach their children to do the same. It's called taking responsibility. I don't care if it's not a candy bar in a store....it is still stealing (taking something that is not yours).

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I still have to disagree with you, Russ. The point is...if adults ignore rules and/or tell kids they don't have to follow them except under certain conditions, then what is that teaching them? Is it going to kill anyone if younger than the age limit or an "occasional" outsider uses the pool? No. If it's ok with you that they come in (outsiders), then find a way for them to share in the cost. Those pools are not on any individual's property, but we do pay for them. I don't go to the pools, but I don't mind paying my ammenities fees which include the pools because I chose to live here. Many of the outsiders choose not to live here so they don't have that expense but want to use the ammenities anyway. How is that fair to those of us who do? You can personally control who comes into yours and that's as it should be. Why can we not reasonably expect the same thing from the Villages pools?

You asked for my solution....everyone do the right thing and teach their children to do the same. It's called taking responsibility. I don't care if it's not a candy bar in a store....it is still stealing (taking something that is not yours).

I hear you and agree but that's not really a solution we can implement as TV property owners is it?