Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

These videos are about the growth of The Villages and the businesses in the surrounding areas, the road impact fee was a significant impact on this growth process. It's important for everyone to realize that the 3 Stooges goal of "screw the developer" will affect all of us. The amount I show in the video are to give everyone an idea of what this impact is. Take for example the carwash, if they have to recover these higher costs it will mean higher prices for every carwash.

Remember, businesses don't pay taxes, they merely collect them and pass them on to the government that levies the taxes, it is a very inefficient process. In the end it is the consumer that pays all taxes and loses.

Only if demand is inelastic does the consumer absorb all costs. That is basic macroeconomics.

Interesting video but it reinforces the need for higher impact fees to offset all the infrastructure costs. The commissioners goal is to rescind the 25% property tax increase the puppets passed as a sweetheart deal for the developer. You might not want to acknowledge that but the overwhelming majority of voters did.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by bilyclub

great video, don. I might have missed this before but, why did they not build dedicated/separated cart paths when building the warm springs bridge over the turnpike?

wondering what is travel time by cart between ezell rec center and brownwood square ?

[dewilson58]

[Herbflosdorf]

If not via impact fees, how do you propose the county should raise funds to pay for offsite road improvements that are needed to support the additional traffic generated by businesses?

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by John41

Only if demand is inelastic does the consumer absorb all costs. That is basic macroeconomics.

Interesting video but it reinforces the need for higher impact fees to offset all the infrastructure costs. The commissioners goal is to rescind the 25% property tax increase the puppets passed as a sweetheart deal for the developer. You might not want to acknowledge that but the overwhelming majority of voters did.

And now the residents expect the newly elected commissioners to be THEIR puppets. Quite an outcry when they did not immediately do what everyone wanted them to. Turns out, maybe the former commissioners were not so wrong. The near future will be interesting to watch.

"Three stooges".

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by John41

Those multi story plywood apartments look like fire traps.

Maybe they forgot about fire codes when they started building them.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

Storm drains.

And maybe reclaimed water

My question is where does the huge volume of water used to fill NEW lakes come from?

New lakes fill almost over night the water is being transferred from someplace.

The lakes are interconnected by sections. I doubt there is a connection under the Turnpike but could be wrong.

[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Great video, Don. I might have missed this before but, why did they not build dedicated/separated cart paths when building the Warm Springs Bridge over the Turnpike?

The building of the second span over the Turnpike for CR468 (Warm Springs Ave) was in the planning for many years to support a new turnpike exit. I move to Fl in 2006 to work a project on the Turnpike for my company and we were discussing the exit regularly at project meetings with the Florida Turnpike Enterprise. At the time of planning and construction there was no requirement for a golf cart crossing at this location since expansion plans by The Villages were kept very very quiet. The "they" to build the cart path lanes would have been the FTE/FDOT and the state, without a need or mandate there was no reason to consider these lane(s).

In theory there is room for a cart path on the north span (my video on this My Connectivity Theory 3-9-20 - YouTube) but it's unlikely now that it will ever occur. Perhaps when the south span is replaced/renovated in the future additional capacity for a cart path could be added but the cost for this would have to be paid for from either county or private (developer/CDD) funds, so it is also unlikely to happen.

[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

And maybe reclaimed water

My question is where does the huge volume of water used to fill NEW lakes come from?

New lakes fill almost over night the water is being transferred from someplace.

The lakes are interconnected by sections. I doubt there is a connection under the Turnpike but could be wrong.

Water is being moved from other retention ponds in the Bradford/Hawkins/Chitty Chatty/StC area by the storm water management system that exists as well as drainage from the areas under construction. The demand for the reclaimed water is still relatively low in this area so it is a viable source. The other retention pond levels will drop for a while but recover naturally over a short period of time.

No, there is no connection to the south side of the Turnpike or to the systems north of SR44.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

And maybe reclaimed water

My question is where does the huge volume of water used to fill NEW lakes come from?

New lakes fill almost over night the water is being transferred from someplace.

The lakes are interconnected by sections. I doubt there is a connection under the Turnpike but could be wrong.

Must be coming from the Summerhill ponds which are WAY down.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

These videos are about the growth of The Villages and the businesses in the surrounding areas, the road impact fee was a significant impact on this growth process. It's important for everyone to realize that the 3 Stooges goal of "screw the developer" will affect all of us. The amount I show in the video are to give everyone an idea of what this impact is. Take for example the carwash, if they have to recover these higher costs it will mean higher prices for every carwash.

Remember, businesses don't pay taxes, they merely collect them and pass them on to the government that levies the taxes, it is a very inefficient process. In the end it is the consumer that pays all taxes and loses.

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing as to the opinions.

It is your effort alone and the videos are very well done. This is the first I've seen that spoke to anything except the actual building and growth. I look forward to more of that type.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by npwalters

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing as to the opinions. It is your effort alone and the videos are very well done. This is the first I've seen that spoke to anything except the actual building and growth. I look forward to more of that type.

You haven't been listening...............he has a brain and an opinion and shares both all the time.

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

You haven't been listening...............he has a brain and an opinion and shares both all the time.

I have been listening and, of course, everyone is entitled to opinions. I share mine quite often.

This is the first time I have seen political opinion within the "new construction" videos.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by npwalters

I have been listening and, of course, everyone is entitled to opinions. I share mine quite often.

This is the first time I have seen political opinion within the "new construction" videos.

Not political opinion, just facts on how it all works. Have you ever lived anywhere where business's didn't pass their costs to the consumer? Have you ever lived anywhere where a business chose not to locate because the cost took their business plan to the negative and they didn't come in. If Lake and Marion can provide a better economic climate than Sumter, business will go there and still have the benefit of the residents in Sumter without the expense. Then we will see how the triad reacts to that when they need the revenue.

Originally Posted by Herbflosdorf

If not via impact fees, how do you propose the county should raise funds to pay for offsite road improvements that are needed to support the additional traffic generated by businesses?

Very good point.

Florida Impact Fee law requires developers to pay a fair share of infrastructure costs. The study which the commissioners paid $69,000 for set the fee at $2,430. But the puppet commissioners ignored the study and gave the developer a sweetheart deal of only $972 which required residents to pay the rest. Thus the 25% property tax increase. The puppet commissioners were overwhelmingly defeated in the last election.

Now the developer and his minions are trying to scare residents that construction will grind to a halt unless the sweetheart deal is retained, residents pickup the difference in higher property taxes and the developer pocket the extra profit.