[Dlbonivich]

I know that if I enter a home in the MLS it is Primary suite. No choice. In the description section it will kick it out automatically. So really no choices on my end.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

A distinction without a difference. It is the CONNOTATION, not the denotation, that matters here. Especially to those Americans, such as my wife, who came here through the front door. They are American citizens who are also legal migrants. But they are Americans first. The illegals in this country who come here from other countries are by definition illegal aliens, but ILLEGAL first, last and always. They are not American citizens. They have nothing in common with the former legal migrants who became American citizens except that they came here from another country. They are living here in contravention of our laws. To use descriptors that intentionally gloss over that fact is to be--well--woke. And as such, to be furthering rather than helping to solve the problem.

It may not matter to those who have little or no direct experience with the topic other than a cursory acquaintance on, say, message boards, but it does to those involved with it directly. Sophistic word games merely clound the issue.

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you scroll up to the 1st or 2nd page of this thread, you'll learn that the term Master Bedroom was NOT changed as a result of political correctness. Rather, it was changed to better describe the layout of the homes. At one point in architectural history, a Master Bedroom was the room that had the walk-in closet and either "half-bath" or "full bath" within the suite. It was - an actual suite. At another point, in different types of construction, the Master Bedroom referred only to the biggest bedroom in the house, regardless of whether or not it had a bathroom or walk-in closet.

Then came the McMansions, which had multiple large bedroom suites, and were advertised as having "two master suites." Well that just makes no sense, from a semantics point of view. There can be only one master, that's what makes it a master. If there's more than one of them, then neither of them are a master. They're just big bedroom suites. But that doesn't really sound great when you're advertising.

So they decided that "Primary" would be a great word to use, when referring to a large bedroom suite in a house with more than one large bedroom suite. Now both of them can be big bedroom suites, neither of them has to be "the master" but one of them can be featured more prominently. Maybe it has a vaulted ceiling and the other doesn't. Maybe it had a bay window with window seat and the other doesn't. Maybe it has an ocean view and the other doesn't. There's nothing about it that makes it more masterful than the other room. It's still just a big bedroom suite. So it's the primary one.

That's why the switch. It just makes more sense.

I didn't find that in the first three pages. Could you provide the number of the post that I missed?

There *was* an article linked on the first page. That article reports that the name was changed to avoid offending anyone. That is what I remember too.

I'm sure the Villages made the change to keep up with industry standards. There is nothing to gain by digging in their heels and insisting on using a word that has become obsolete.

The reason for the change was foolish but neither hurts me nor offends me. Those who argue so vehemently against it frighten me.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

Merriam-Webster believes otherwise.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

It IS also a noun, and you don't have to like it.

il·le·gal
/i(l)ˈlēɡ(ə)l,əˈlēɡ(ə)l/


noun: DEROGATORY•NORTH AMERICAN

noun: illegal; plural noun: illegals
a person present in a country without official authorization.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

Ha!!! Last time I was the master of my house I was 22 years old and living in an apartment by myself. Master or primary to describe the biggest bedroom in a home....I'm secure in my skin so doesn't mean one bit of difference to me. It appears the only one being "offended".....is you.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

I’ve noticed over the last few weeks that TV new home floor plans label the “Master” suite and bath as “Primary”.

A subtle indication of softness which is spreading across our country. Words hurt? It continues for anything that may “offend” someone in our language use.

Yes, this was intentional, set into motion by certain factions which will remain nameless for purposes of posting on this forum. A small group of people with very loud voices who felt the word “master” was a trigger word that caused offense or harm to those who had to say or hear it.

Unlike other commenters here who liken it to phrases or words that have organically fallen out of favor, this particular word was specifically targeted for extinction from common usage. The real estate industry obliged. It seems that The Villages is complying with the new orthodoxy and helping to grease the rails on the infamous slippery slope.

[LianneMigiano]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Maybe you should refer:-Office of Governor Ron DeSantis
State of Florida
The Capitol
400 S. Monroe St.
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001

(850) 717-9337

For more immediate service, please include email address with your letter or phone call. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It matters to me, and my family came to this country before proof of intention, proof of citizenship, passports - existed. All they needed was to prove they weren't ill, proof of their name and previous address, and they had an address in the states where they'd be staying.

Currently, under those previous criteria, they would be considered "undocumented immigrants." There are actually hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Italy, and families of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants that came here from Ireland. Millions that came here from various parts of Europe during and immediately following WWII. And some, like my family, who came before WWII but after WWI.

They weren't called illegal aliens then either. Most of them were called refugees. Some were called immigrants. Criminals were called criminals, whether they were refugees, immigrants, or citizens.

"Illegal" isn't a noun. It just isn't. You don't have to like it, and you live in the Free State of Florida so you can use the word however you see fit. But you'd be incorrect, as is everyone else who uses the word as a noun. Illegal is an adjective.

Sign of the times. That was then, this is now. Those people you refer to did not have the documentation needed now for citizenship but it was not needed--as the post indicated, they were here with both American government knowledge and approval. That was enough, then.

Not today. The illegal immigrants flooding have in most cases are not known by our government, and certainly do not have the permission of our government.

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

I'm not sure whether it's more funny or concerning that someone cares so much about what it's called. They mean the same thing. They used to refer to pants as trousers and I don't think that was because of some woke agenda 40 years ago.

This is getting out of hand with people labelling a minor incremental change as "woke".

Could you tell us who is insisting on these changes?

I'll tell you because it seems you have no knowledge of this topic, The nutty WOKEsters!

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

It's not the change (like trousers to pants)...

It's WHY they keep making these ridiculous changes...

Perfectly hits the nail on the head re the Woke topic. I’m the OP and it’s fascinating to read some of the Woke-supporting commentary here. You are SO right. It’s WHY. Simply to satisfy a small minority which pushes for changes as these. Always seems to be the Fringe pushing… I’m all for change and progression for a reason. I have a Masters Degree too. …oh boy…

BTW I’m a Mr. not a they/them. Yet another irritation. Why????

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Caymus

.....or a Masters level degree.

Has anyone mentioned The Masters golf tournament?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm more amused that so many posters here are offended by the word "Primary."

I'm not offended by the word "primary". I'm offended by the reason to change the word "master" to "primary". The word alone is not offensive.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by dwoodley1975

Adapt changes. Things change most are afraid of changes. I am all about changes.

I'm old so I'm highly unadaptable.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Not me, I can’t wait to primary a new skill!

Oh my goodness. That is funny!!!!!