[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Bill

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

I'm not sure that statement could pass the smell test.

Wow Skyguy!

I see you have an avatar picture now.

I guess you are the gentleman in the middle.

Quite handsome and young looking.

You old enough to live here?

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Wow Skyguy!

I see you have an avatar picture now.

I guess you are the gentleman in the middle.

Quite handsome and young looking.

You old enough to live here?

Why do you ask? Is 34 years of age too young to be in TV? Seriously, that's our son in the middle, not me. I'm the big ol' f*** on the right and I think that's my wife on the left. I'll have to check with her though to verify that. The picture itself was taken about 12 years ago shortly before our son graduated from the Crane School of Music at the State University of NY at Potsdam, and I think that I'm about about 6 or 7 years older now. Anyway, thanks for indicating that my son is handsome and for refraining about the chopped liver on the right of the picture!

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Wow Skyguy!

I see you have an avatar picture now.

I guess you are the gentleman in the middle.

Quite handsome and young looking.

You old enough to live here?

Gracie, you smooth talker you............

Bill

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Do you suppose the guy who pulled the gun on Canal Street was licensed to carry??

Normally ccw permit holders go out of their way to avoid confrontations to avoid any possibility of letting your anger impair your judgment. Brandishing your weapon is an automatic 3 year prison sentence with no parole. Statistically only a very small percentage of ccw permit holders are ever arrested.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't want to P** off the gun carriers here in TV but the need for a gun here is NON existant.

Would you be willing to post a sign on your front lawn stating that your home is gun free? Sad to say that if you did it would be like putting a target on your back. Best to keep them guessing. Most victims think that they are safe right up to the point they are not. How often fo we hear people state that they are shocked that violence occurred where they live on the news We all have a choice of being either a helpless victim or one that fights back. Take your pick. Personally I rather run with the sheepdogs than the sheep.

As Redwitch and others said, carrying a gun is a grave responsibility. Making the wrong decision can negatively affect your life. It is not fun to carry a gun nor foes it make you feel like superman. It is uncomfortable and bothersome. We carry because no matter how small the risk, it is not zero and we have the means to mitigate that risk even further. The last thing anyone of us wants to do is use their gun. Even if justified, it is a life altering event and not in a good way. Criminals do not legally obtain their guns so passing even more laws will not affect them. In fact, it will help them.

Redwitch - I agree with you. I know people who cannot even pronounce the name of their gun much less train to use them.

[Tbugs]

How many times have we heard "Guns do not kill people, people kill people"?

How many times have we heard "Gun licensing does not work because criminals don't bother to get licenses"?

How many handgun deaths are there in England compared to the USA? Oh, yeah, I forgot, if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.

Give me a freakin' break.

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by Tbugs

How many times have we heard "Guns do not kill people, people kill people"?

How many times have we heard "Gun licensing does not work because criminals don't bother to get licenses"?

How many handgun deaths are there in England compared to the USA? Oh, yeah, I forgot, if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.

Give me a freakin' break.

You forgot
"Gun Control is hitting your Target"

[graciegirl]

I am not against guns.

If you want to have one go ahead. The Constitution says you can and I love that document.

I am just saying that the people I grew up with, know well, don't carry them.

My dad and brother were hunters and my grandfather who raised me was a police officer for 37 years. (My grandparents raised me because my mother died as a result of my birth)

You say I don't know and I say I do know if people I am close friends with carry a gun, a few own one. This country is divided into different areas and they have more or less population and different kinds of lifestyles. I grew up in German Village of Columbus, Ohio very close to farming area. I now live in a suburb of Cincinnati.

I think that most people who live in the area where I grew up visit the heavily populated areas of the United States where things are different and more people carry guns. I think that a lot of people in those heavily populated areas rarely visit areas of suburban Ohio.

So, dang it, I DO know the people who are my close friends and know if they carry a gun.

Happy New Year. Please don't shoot me. And I don't care if people know we don't have a gun. I am a decoratey type girl, so it would ruin my front yard, that sign.

[downeaster]

I have followed this thread and have found it interesting, revealing and somewhat disturbing. Some of the posts bring the word "vigilante" to mind.

I find those who claim they will "shoot to kill without hesitation" especially worrying. We live in a congested community. Is it safe to have people carrying loaded weapons and are willing to fire them when they deem it necessary?

Taking a human life is not to be taken lightly. Taking the life of an innocent person or bystander is unthinkable.

I ask those who carry a loaded weapon to leave law enforcement up to the police. If you perceive someone is going to hurt you, or you perceive someone is going to hurt someone in an altercation, or you think you are seeing a crime being committed, reach for your cell phone, not your weapon. Better yet, leave the weapon at home.

Gracie got it right: "Don't shoot us".

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by downeaster

I have followed this thread and have found it interesting, revealing and somewhat disturbing. Some of the posts bring the word "vigilante" to mind.

I find those who claim they will "shoot to kill without hesitation" especially worrying. We live in a congested community. Is it safe to have people carrying loaded weapons and are willing to fire them when they deem it necessary?

Taking a human life is not to be taken lightly. Taking the life of an innocent person or bystander is unthinkable.

I ask those who carry a loaded weapon to leave law enforcement up to the police. If you perceive someone is going to hurt you, or you perceive someone is going to hurt someone in an altercation, or you think you are seeing a crime being committed, reach for your cell phone, not your weapon. Better yet, leave the weapon at home.

Gracie got it right: "Don't shoot us".

Remember if faced with a situation where you percieve someone is going to harm you the police are only minutes away.

Then you will pray that an armed citizen might be there within seconds to help you

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Tbugs

How many times have we heard "Guns do not kill people, people kill people"?

How many times have we heard "Gun licensing does not work because criminals don't bother to get licenses"?

How many handgun deaths are there in England compared to the USA? Oh, yeah, I forgot, if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns.

Give me a freakin' break.

Just as a point of interest, in both England and Australia, when guns were restricted and banned, gun assaults and home invasions increased dramatically.

Yoda

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by downeaster

I have followed this thread and have found it interesting, revealing and somewhat disturbing. Some of the posts bring the word "vigilante" to mind.

I find those who claim they will "shoot to kill without hesitation" especially worrying. We live in a congested community. Is it safe to have people carrying loaded weapons and are willing to fire them when they deem it necessary?

Taking a human life is not to be taken lightly. Taking the life of an innocent person or bystander is unthinkable.

I ask those who carry a loaded weapon to leave law enforcement up to the police. If you perceive someone is going to hurt you, or you perceive someone is going to hurt someone in an altercation, or you think you are seeing a crime being committed, reach for your cell phone, not your weapon. Better yet, leave the weapon at home.

Gracie got it right: "Don't shoot us".

1. One person used the word vigilante. Out of context and incorrectly.

2. To shoot to kill could be murder. One should shoot to immediately stop the villain from doing what he is doing. If he should die is up to his God, never the intent of the shooter.

3. The police are not obligated to protect you. The Supreme Court has so ruled.

Yoda

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by Yoda

1. One person used the word vigilante. Out of context and incorrectly.

2. To shoot to kill could be murder. One should shoot to immediately stop the villain from doing what he is doing. If he should die is up to his God, never the intent of the shooter.

3. The police are not obligated to protect you. The Supreme Court has so ruled.

Yoda

Yoda,

You are absolutely correct in saying one should shoot to stop the assailant.

If you shoot someone some people say it's better to kill rather then risk a law suit from the wounded criminal. No matter what the outcome it's going to set you back $50-$75 thousand dollars in legal fees.

Just as another poster said...Aim for center mass, I would also double tap. If you aim for the heart or head you'll probably miss. Remember that emotions will be running rampant while you are trying to aim for the head. It's a lot different shooting a target then it is to slam a bullet into someones flesh. It's a life changing event. No turning back.

The law is not black and white.

[redwitch]

I was taught to aim to kill (chest, shoot at least twice). Period. If I feel the need to use my gun, I better have a dang good reason. I was told that any "amateur" who carries should be prepared to kill another human being. Wounding sounds good but may just end up getting you killed instead. So, if you're going to use it, use it for the purpose it was made -- to kill another human being. (Sickening thought, isn't it? Something created to simply kill another person.)

I carry for one reason only -- because I had someone try to kill me and he's made it abundantly clear that he is still obsessed with me. I am not going to use my gun to protect my neighbor's property or even my own property. I am going to use it if I perceive my daughter, my grandson, my neighbor or me in true GRAVE physical danger and, if that happens, I'm not going to worry about just hurting that person -- I'm going to do my best to bring that person down. This is not being a vigilante. A vigilante goes after someone after the crime has been committed, not during and most certainly not to protect another.

Believe it or not, I am actually anti-handguns. I was given no choice. I had a judge (of a serious liberal bent), a DA and 3 police officers all tell me to start carrying and to be prepared to use it because my stalker was never going to stop until one of us was stopped permanently. The second this saga has ended, I turn my handgun in and I'll be happy to never handle a weapon again.

I honestly don't understand those who carry for no reason other than a strange sense of security and that it might be useful in certain incidents. I don't feel the least secure in having a handgun. I worry about my purse being stolen with it in it. I worry that someone may grab it. I even worry that it might discharge accidently, even though that possibility is very remote. If I only had to protect myself in my home, I would much rather use a shotgun -- really hard to miss with it.