[Garywt]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

That is what a recirculating hot water system solves. It keeps the water at the faucet or shower hot, if it cools down it recirculates it through the heater until the water is hot again. No water is wasted and it is always hot when you turn on the shower or faucet.

Any good plumber can install it as an after market upgrade. I expect it is less expensive to do it at build time, but either will work.

I am not wittier about any wasted water at this time. We selected a new home that was built to avoid going through the build process so it wasn’t a possible add on for us.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Who are you to call hyperole?

I have a tap under B/r sink which fills container. Takes about 3/4 of a gallon for warm to get there.
I also have an outside storage tank that take diverted bath/shower water from upstairs which I also use on garden.
In winter when full it diverts to main drains.
Also collect rainfall in storage butts from shed roofs.
At our last house we collected rainwater from house roof guttering into underground storage tank which pumped water into house too flush toilets, and also irrigate garden.
Get your own plumbing sorted, and shove your hyperbole where the sun don't shine!

Well, that makes sense, obviously everyone in the villages has the same floor plan as you and so THEY are wrong

You know that in some states collecting rain water is illegal, you might want to check.

Do you have an underground storage here? Not sure what the point of that is when the OP is asking how to reduce the time to get hot water to the faucet.

But, thank s fore your rant, I appreciated it, very enlightening.

ahem...

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well, that makes sense, obviously everyone in the villages has the same floor plan as you and so THEY are wrong

You know that in some states collecting rain water is illegal, you might want to check.

Do you have an underground storage here? Not sure what the point of that is when the OP is asking how to reduce the time to get hot water to the faucet.

But, thank s fore your rant, I appreciated it, very enlightening.

ahem...

I'm a snowbird renter. Live in UK. and I was replying to a post that practically called me a liar.

ahem...

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by TKS

How is the water “wasted” if it returns to the Earth’s ecosystem? It isn’t shunted off into outer space. The only waste is the minimal utility fee. That said, waiting is a pain.

To hateful commenters: if you intend to attack me personally, rather than debate ideas, please have the balls to publish your name and phone number so we can meet face to face and see how nasty you are willing to be then. ;-)

Whoooo threats are not allowed on TOTV.
Have you always settled things with violence?

[72eagleman]

If you put a tank water heater in the garage, it still will take just as long to get hot water to your farthest point. The water lines run under the house so installing a recirculation line would either involve cutting the concrete in the garage to be able to get a pipe under the slab and then route the recirculation line underground outside and reconnect at the farthest point from the heater so the water can recirculate. I
The other option would be to route a pipe up in the attic and back down a wall to reconnect. This may be difficult if you have a block home because the water pipes are inside the wall. As a contractor, I would shy away from this attic insulation because I never wanted water pipes over a living area. If a pipe leaks or breaks, you will have interior damage and depending on where the pipe leaks it can get very costly very fast like $25-50K if it is over a bathroom or kitchen.

[TrapX]

Here is some help understanding what is possible. Either a dedicated return line, or use the existing cold water line.

Demand Hot Water Recirculating System | ENERGY STAR
Use a Tankless water heater with a Recirculation Loop
Tankless with Recirculation | Noritz
Best Tankless Gas Water Heater with Recirculating Pump #2021

[lawgolfer]

Originally Posted by ohioshooter

From what I’ve read this still isn’t for a on demand. Thanks

There are two ways to have nearly instant hot water with an on-demand/tankless system:

1. You install multiple, small, individual, on-demand heaters, at each location where you want instant hot water. In new construction, this means you only have to run one cold-water line to those locations. At the location, you then split the line so as to run cold water to the tap and water to be heated to the on-demand heater. You then install a larger on-demand heater for the rest of the house. You will have a time lag to get hot water to the locations not equipped with a smaller on-demand heater.

2. You install one large capacity on-demand heater for the entire house which fills a small "holding" tank. At the holding tank, you install a recirculating pump. In new construction, you install three lines to the locations where you want instant hot water. One line is cold, the other hot via the recirculating pump, and the third a return line to the holding tank.

In a remodel, you install a Watts pump at the holding tank which continuously circulates water in the hot water lines and returns it to the holding tank in the cold water lines. The Watts system requires that a manifold, a simple tube with one-way valves, be installed at the faucet that is furthest from the holding tank. If the hot water line is "split" and hot water is sent in two directions inside the house, you will need a manifold at the end of each of the lines. This is common in The Villages.

Using an on-demand heater and a holding tank is very efficient. Instead of having a regular water heater of 40, 50, or 60 gallons, all of which must be kept hot at all times, you will be heating only a small holding tank of, perhaps, 5-10 gallons depending on the size of your house. Any plumbing supply house can advise you as to the size of the holding tank.

I know it is an oxymoron to add a tank to a tankless water heater. However, it works and, with the addition of a recirculating pump, is the only way you can have nearly instant hot water throughout the house when using an on-demand water heater.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by tks

how is the water “wasted” if it returns to the earth’s ecosystem? It isn’t shunted off into outer space. The only waste is the minimal utility fee. That said, waiting is a pain.

exactly. Wish people would pay attention to the clouds ( water trucks) that transports the water over the planets surface only to release it. Even the dirtiest water is purified by earths soil ( coffee filter) to be released into cisterns and aquifiers. Some states claim their drinking water is 80 years old.
Sidenote:
Next time you see thirst parched animals on the african plains suffering from the relentless heat realize that when the heat blows off of the african coast it heads our way to culminate in our hurricane season.
It's all connected the earth and the universe.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I'm a snowbird renter. Live in UK. and I was replying to a post that practically called me a liar.

ahem...

So, you agree you have no foundation for claiming that they should check their facts about their house, you occasionally rent a home here. I thought you claimed it was hyperbole, now you say they called you a liar.

Another internet expert sharing their OPINION.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So, you agree you have no foundation for claiming that they should check their facts about their house, you occasionally rent a home here. I thought you claimed it was hyperbole, now you say they called you a liar.

Another internet expert sharing their OPINION.

I give up.
Try reading relevant posts before replying.

Gone.

Byeee!

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by two bills

i give up.
Try reading relevant posts before replying.

Gone.

Byeee!

in other words c ya?

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by two bills

i give up.
Try reading relevant posts before replying.

Gone.

Byeee!

idk. U2 always make great points. Maybe back channel diplomacy is needed amongst mutual contacts
please

[Veiragirl]

Don't be a big baby for
god's sake. Turn the shower on and let it run for at least 3 minutes. And WOW thewater is hot.Your sound spoiled kid

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by ldj1938

I have a recirculation system with a timer on my tankless system. Ask your plumber.

I have 2 friends in TV that had Kiley and Sons plumbing install a recirculation system. About $400...

[OhioBuckeye]

I don’t know if you pay for irrigation water but it’s just recycled water. But I think TV residents just pay for in house water. Correct me if I’m wrong!