[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Once get addicted to koolaid it’s hard to get off it.

yup couldn't agree more lol

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

you have your right to your opinion but how do you know that i am unhappy? do you have a crystal Ball? maybe i am just pointing out the obvious and am sick of paying for non residents!

Anyone with a Search button knows how you feel. Some are only happy when they are miserable.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

matter of opinion I'm just done drinking the Kool-Aid and pay for other people that come into villages and don't follow the rules.

Since you are "done", where are you moving to?

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

Anyone with a Search button knows how you feel. Some are only happy when they are miserable.

again someone that has a crystal ball, lol
I am not subject to all village nonsense and have a mind of my own. And yes everyone has a search button and i am not the only one that feels this way, just sick of all the mis-spending of our amenities and they keep going up. JMHO

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

Since you are "done", where are you moving to?

how do you know i haven't already left? again can i borrow a crystal ball LOL

[BillyGrown]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Only 80% of the residents need to be 55+ for it to qualify for the federal designation. I agree that non-residents using amenities and horrible Airbnb renters are probably overblown, but I have a different philosophy---my number that I'm willing to tolerate is ZERO. The pool situation varies by village, but I believe those who frequent the Tamarind Grove pool adjacent to Trailwinds might have more skin in the game. Also , I suspect after hours exec course trespassers are more numerous say, on Sandhill, than Escambia for the same reason. Airbnb's are a blight on our community, in fact most peaceful communities, and we should do everything possible to ban them (and it can be done)

Those were the worst things to be developed in the start of this millennium. I would vote for any politicians who were for strangling these parasites with regulation. Airbnbs are a blight for sure. They infringe on those who have reasonable expectations for a normal neighborhood and lifestyle.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by BillyGrown

Those were the worst thing to be developed in the start of this millennium. I would vote for any politicians who were for strangling these parasites with regulation. Airbnbs are a blight for sure. They infringe on those who have reasonable expectations for a normal neighborhood and lifestyle.

be careful you'll be accused of being unhappy, lol

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

you have your right to your opinion but how do you know that i am unhappy? do you have a crystal Ball? maybe i am just pointing out the obvious and am sick of paying for non residents!

Originally Posted by Pondboy

How about conducting your own independent survey of people using the amenities….villagers vs. non villagers and let us know what you find out.

No problem, she would just need to be at over 250 different amenities all at the same time, all day long (or hire 250 people). Then, without any authority whatsoever, ask to see IDs of everyone entering, while watching for fence climbers out of view. Not sure how she would handle anyone who "just says no" to her request. Don't forget to bring a golf cart so she can chase down everyone on the golf courses and ask for ID.

Might want to rethink that "suggestion"

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

again someone that has a crystal ball, lol
I am not subject to all village nonsense and have a mind of my own. And yes everyone has a search button and i am not the only one that feels this way, just sick of all the mis-spending of our amenities and they keep going up. JMHO

What mis-spending is that? (examples please, not copy/paste of headlines or quotes from someone else's letter to the editor)

[ThirdOfFive]

Odd. I find myself agreeing with just about everything that has been posted so far.

Yes, ineligible people are using our amenities. Villagers are in violation of this-or-that rule. Airb&bs exist also here, and can (and apparently do) attract people who have no interest in following the rules. And so on. But a lot of it is hearsay...people talk, and pass things along, and things get blown out of proportion. We HEAR about a lot of things related to the above. But just how much of it do we actually SEE? Especially if one reads The Online Newspaper That Shall Not Be Named one gets the definite impression that TV is being overrun by rulebreakers, unkempt properties and Airb&B hellraisers. But drive through any Village and the reality, aside from rare examples to the contrary, is totally different.

But...the fact that they exist at all is just a symptom of the real issue, and that is that there is nearly zero enforcement. What I find especially ludicrous is this system, if you can call it that, that allows people to get away with rulebreaking unless reported to the powers-that-be by another Villager! It can conceivably lead to situations where two houses on the same block have identical violations, but only the one that gets reported must fix the issue or get fined until he or she does. I know of no other place or situation where the people governed by a rule have the primary responsibility for ENFORCING that rule. Yet that is precisely what we have here. The powers that be apparently just sit on their hands, never enforcing their own rules unless they have no other choice.

Yes. We're lucky that the problems so far are probably more apparent than real; a lot smaller than word-of-mouth and rumor would have us believe. But the fact that they're not only allowed to exist at all but to actually become worse over time is an affront to all of us who bought here believing we were becoming part of a community where the rules and standards that we sought as retirees were being enforced. The fact that they routinely are not is something that can be learned only AFTER we became residents here. I won't go so far to say that we were sold a bill of goods. I certainly wasn't. We have a nice home in a well-kept Village with good neighbors and zero hellraisers. TV is everything I thought it would be. But with the "system" the way it is, will I be saying the same thing five years from now? We should ALL be asking ourselves that same question.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What mis-spending is that? (examples please, not copy/paste of headlines or quotes from someone else's letter to the editor)

example: they represented this as gated communities, its a communities with gates, please use your search button you've talk about?
now they got rid of the 12 to 6am staff.
cuts are happening all over the place, its exhaust dealing with the endless Kool-aid effect lol

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No problem, she would just need to be at over 250 different amenities all at the same time, all day long (or hire 250 people). Then, without any authority whatsoever, ask to see IDs of everyone entering, while watching for fence climbers out of view. Not sure how she would handle anyone who "just says no" to her request. Don't forget to bring a golf cart so she can chase down everyone on the golf courses and ask for ID.

Might want to rethink that "suggestion"

I'm not sure it's a bad suggestion. Assertions are being made that imply knowledge of what is happening at 250 amenities, all at the same time, all day long. If the assertions are correct then the proof should be very easy to acquire. On the other hand, if it is difficult to prove that 250 different amenities are being overrun all day long then there might be a reason for that.

I would like to see something beyond an all-or-nothing approach. My pool is not being overrun, my pool does not need any additional money spent on enforcement. My pool is just one of many and may very well be atypical. It would be nice to see increased attention spent at certain pools/amenities that are known to have issues. Maybe a way could be found to fund something like that.

[BillyGrown]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Airb&bs exist also here, and can (and apparently do) attract people who have no interest in following the rules.

But...the fact that they exist at all is just a symptom of the real issue, and that is that there is nearly zero enforcement.

CDDs can help too. They can ban guest passes for renters. That would go a long way towards preserving the retirement lifestyle and prevent those who don’t pay for amenities from abusing our pools and recreation centers.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

example: they represented this as gated communities, its a communities with gates, please use your search button you've talk about?
now they got rid of the 12 to 6am staff.
cuts are happening all over the place, its exhaust dealing with the endless Kool-aid effect lol

Who represented this as a gated community? Not to me "they" didn't.

The Villages *might* have been a gated community in the past but it certainly was not in 2018 and I suspect it was not in 2014. I'll spend time later looking up when the roads were turned over to the county.

What is mis-spending about cutting back the hours to save money to spend somewhere else? That seems like a very responsible approach to rising costs.

What cuts are happening all over the place? Where is the mis-spending? Are you sure you know which flavor of Kool-Aid you are drinking?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by BillyGrown

CDDs can help too. They can ban guest passes for renters. That would go a long way towards preserving the retirement lifestyle and prevent those who don’t pay for amenities from abusing our pools and recreation centers.

Or just make the minimum rent period 30 days (except in February). This would still leave people with investment property the right to rent, but not as an Airbnb for 2 days. Give them a year to re-organize their rental strategy.