[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Fredster

It the homes are that old and have been occupied before.
Even if they haven't been sold before, in my opinion,
they are not new and shouldn't be advertised as such.
They also don't fit the definition of new as presented by RickyD.

It really is that simple.

I wonder how the seller is justifying (even to themselves)... calling them "new?"

[bbbbbb]

So, if a car dealer has a car, built several years ago, or/and it was leased, or it was a managers car (common in the auto world) and so they put on new tires, touched up the paint or repainted it, replaced upholstery, is it now a new or a used car?
A car dealer named Cal Worthington in North Long Beach Ca. did exactly that years ago. (1957?). I actually had a relative who bought one of his "new cars". He lost his business license and I think he went to jail.
I actually saw that and I also saw one of his rebuilt new cars.
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[Retiring]

You must take anything and everything a real estate agent says with trainload of salt. I was shown one lot in TV, on a golf course, with a small retention pond about 200 yards away. They advertised it as “waterfront.” I ask the agent if this was an April fools joke (it wasn’t April), he was silent. And judging by his facial expression, he was embarrassed.

We would all love to trust all those around us, but sadly flawed human nature gets in the way. You must do your due diligence or get an attorney that works hourly and doesn’t care if you buy the property or not. Anyone with a dog in the hunt (commission) is always biased. And I mean biased towards themselves collecting that commission check.

Caveat Emptor.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

So, if a car dealer has a car, built several years ago, or/and it was leased, or it was a managers car (common in the auto world) and so they put on new tires, touched up the paint or repainted it, replaced upholstery, is it now a new or a used car?
A car dealer named Cal Worthington in North Long Beach Ca. did exactly that years ago. (1957?). I actually had a relative who bought one of his "new cars". He lost his business license and I think he went to jail.
I actually saw that and I also saw one of his rebuilt new cars.
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If you want a better deal, go see Cal!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

So, if a car dealer has a car, built several years ago, or/and it was leased, or it was a managers car (common in the auto world) and so they put on new tires, touched up the paint or repainted it, replaced upholstery, is it now a new or a used car?
A car dealer named Cal Worthington in North Long Beach Ca. did exactly that years ago. (1957?). I actually had a relative who bought one of his "new cars". He lost his business license and I think he went to jail.
I actually saw that and I also saw one of his rebuilt new cars.
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I never heard that Cal went to jail.

He had a bunch of dealerships (even different brands) all over the west coast...even in Alaska.

He also had some great commercials with his dog...'Spot.'


"Go See Cal!"





He was actually a heck of an entrepreneur.

Cal Worthington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Calvin Coolidge "Cal" Worthington (November 27, 1920 – September 8, 2013) was an American car dealer, best known on the West Coast of the United States, and to a more limited extent elsewhere, from minor appearances and parodies in a number of movies.

He was best known for his unique radio and television advertisements for the Worthington Dealership Group, most of which began with the announcement "Here's Cal Worthington and his dog Spot!"—though "Spot" was never a dog. Often, Spot was a tiger, a seal, an elephant, a chimpanzee, or a bear. In one ad, "Spot" was a hippopotamus, which Worthington rode in the commercial.

On some occasions, "Spot" was a vehicle, such as an airplane that Worthington would be seen standing atop the wings of while airborne. "Spot" was officially retired in the mid-1980s; however he was mentioned occasionally in his later commercials.

According to a profile published in the Sacramento Bee in 1990, Worthington grossed $316.8 million in 1988 , making him at the time the largest single owner of a car dealership chain.

His advertising agency, named Spot Advertising, had Worthington as its only client and spent $15 million on commercials, the most of any auto dealer at the time.

He sold automobiles from 1945 until his death in 2013 and owned a 24,000-acre (9,700 ha; 38 sq mi) ranch located in Orland, California, north of Sacramento.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Was that an assumption you made, or did your Agent lie to you?

Neither. I said it is not disclosed that the villages with gates are accessible to the public. It isn't my assumption, nor is it an outright lie. Omitting relevant information, to me, is deceitful and unethical.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Neither. I said it is not disclosed that the villages with gates are accessible to the public. It isn't my assumption, nor is it an outright lie. Omitting relevant information, to me, is deceitful and unethical.

I am not a realtor. I have never been a realtor. There are no realtors in my family. I have no friends who are realtors. Here are the disclosure laws here in Florida. I am not a lawyer. There are lawyers in my family. They are the only lawyers I like. No wait. We have a neighbor who is a lawyer. I like him.


Florida Home Sellers: Disclosures Required Under State Law | Nolo.com

[2BNTV]

I think a better marketing strategy would have been to advertised as "refurbished lifestyle visit homes", assuming the home had been touched up, in the wear and tear areas. To advertise as "new" is just wrong.

As usual, it is buyer beware. A roof 8 years old is not new, unless they had a 50 year roof installed, Then it would definitely last the lifetime of the original buyer.

People think of new as never having been lived in by anyone. Those who want new, like the thought, they were the only one in "that home".

Other people who don't mind someone having lived there before them, might like a reduced priced but know, it's not "new".

[Villageswimmer]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

I think a better marketing strategy would have been to advertised as "refurbished lifestyle visit homes", assuming the home had been touched up, in the wear and tear areas. To advertise as "new" is just wrong.

As usual, it is buyer beware. A roof 8 years old is not new, unless they had a 50 year roof installed, Then it would definitely last the lifetime of the original buyer.

People think of new as never having been lived in by anyone. Those who want new, like the thought, they were the only one in "that home".

Other people who don't mind someone having lived there before them, might like a reduced priced but know, it's not "new".

Amen. And on topic.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

I think a better marketing strategy would have been to advertised as "refurbished lifestyle visit homes", assuming the home had been touched up, in the wear and tear areas. To advertise as "new" is just wrong.

As usual, it is buyer beware. A roof 8 years old is not new, unless they had a 50 year roof installed, Then it would definitely last the lifetime of the original buyer.

People think of new as never having been lived in by anyone. Those who want new, like the thought, they were the only one in "that home".

Other people who don't mind someone having lived there before them, might like a reduced priced but know, it's not "new".

2B...I agree with some disclaimer should be added in the online presentation of these homes.

The bottom line is these homes will sell. Just like all of the homes that were sold here before them. We haven't heard anyone who has posted they were duped. One poster said she went to an open house at one of them and the sales agent told her they had been used for life style visits.

I don't have the ( what is that Yiddish word my friend Ruthie always used...Chutzpa?) to tell them how to run their railroad. They seem to be chugging along doing fine.

I have been accused of defending the developers. They don't need my defense. The homeowners who have all invested a bundle of dough may be annoyed at all the negativity. But they are grown ups too.

People are gonna think and say whatever they want to. And in the end the homes will sell..

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

2B...I agree with some disclaimer should be added in the online presentation of these homes.

The bottom line is these homes will sell. Just like all of the homes that were sold here before them. We haven't heard anyone who has posted they were duped. One poster said she went to an open house at one of them and the sales agent told her they had been used for life style visits.

I don't have the ( what is that Yiddish word my friend Ruthie always used...Chutzpa?) to tell them how to run their railroad. They seem to be chugging along doing fine.

I have been accused of defending the developers. They don't need my defense. The homeowners who have all invested a bundle of dough may be annoyed at all the negativity. But they are grown ups too.

People are gonna think and say whatever they want to. And in the end the homes will sell..

Maybe the ad does not have enough room for "refurbished LSV homes".

Obviously, they will all sell and the developer will chug along merrily. Some people have an anti-developer point of view, as don't see them as benevolent.

On the other hand, they are people who love TV and thank the developer for creating a wonderful paradise for those who are "looking downhill".

[Fraugoofy]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

I think a better marketing strategy would have been to advertised as "refurbished lifestyle visit homes", assuming the home had been touched up, in the wear and tear areas. To advertise as "new" is just wrong.

As usual, it is buyer beware. A roof 8 years old is not new, unless they had a 50 year roof installed, Then it would definitely last the lifetime of the original buyer.

People think of new as never having been lived in by anyone. Those who want new, like the thought, they were the only one in "that home".

Other people who don't mind someone having lived there before them, might like a reduced priced but know, it's not "new".

If I bought a house with a 50 year roof I may outlive the roof... just sayin'...

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[twoplanekid]

Does the use of “new” on the Villages web sales site in the description and classification of these life style visit houses that are eight or more years old reflect a true description of these houses? I believe an additional word or two could and should be added to the web site to accurately define these special case homes as they are not “new”.

The Rotary Four-way test

1.Is it the truth?
2.Is it fair to all concerned?
3.Will it build goodwill and better friendships?
4.Will it be beneficial to all concerned?

[biker1]

You may wish to take your concerns to The Villages sales office. There is very little anyone on this forum can do except alert those that they know are considering those properties. It appears that at least in one case the sales agent disclosed the age and circumstances of the property anyway.

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Does the use of “new” on the Villages web sales site in the description and classification of these life style visit houses that are eight or more years old reflect a true description of these houses? I believe an additional word or two could and should be added to the web site to accurately define these special case homes as they are not “new”.

The Rotary Four-way test

1.Is it the truth?
2.Is it fair to all concerned?
3.Will it build goodwill and better friendships?
4.Will it be beneficial to all concerned?

[twoplanekid]

I believe that Village management does monitor and read posts on this forum. It helps to have the voices and opinions of many to help others look to making changes. Thus, I thank everyone who expressed their opinion on or interest in this topic.