[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I AM very worried about pollution....both gas pollution and noise pollution from cars AND lawnmowers. Besides bad air to breathe, pollution CAUSES Global Warming (oh, oh, I just said that bad, ugly word - around here). The fact that you are NOT is a condemnation of the US education system that is producing SCIENCE-DENIERS (oh, another BAD word - I am going to wash my mouth out with soap). Please excuse me!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A strange distortion of REALITY - those statements. Every TV channel is showing that Utah is at Hospital capacity, they are deciding who lives or dies. This COULD(?) be you someday that the Doctors are deciding about whether YOU die. Maybe they just flip a coin? Wisconsin has 37% positive cases. Every THIRD person is INFECTED! How is THAT NOT an emergency? The US Constitution does NOT give the people dancing at the squares the right to endanger the lives of ANY other people. They are WRONG and double wrong!

Wisconsin is lucky to get it that high. We need 90%-100% positivity and this will be over. The weak will die and 99% will survive. What - evolution and survival of the fittest is no longer the religion you profess?

[Advogado]

The bottom line is that Florida needs to join 35 other states and save lives by enacting a state-wide mask mandate. However, since DeSantis is living is in an alternate universe regarding the severity of COVID-19, a mask mandate has to be enacted in Sumter County at the county level. Such a county mandate will have to be carefully drafted in light of DeSantis's executive-order suspending fines and penalties "on individuals" violating COVID regulations, but local action is necessary. Action by enough local governments will pressure DeSantis to get real in dealing with the virus.

Eventually, there will probably be a statewide mandate in Florida, but DeSantis will apparently only change his position after thousands of Floridians needlessly die.

Full disclosure, I voted for DeSantis, but he has fumbled the handling of COVID-19.

[Rosebud1949]

Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109

Why Covid deniers? You stay home and cower in your house. I’ll go out, be careful and enjoy the The life I worked 50 years to have.

Make the most of " the life you have worked for for 50 years" It will not last that long with these actions.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Advogado

The bottom line is that Florida needs to join 35 other states and save lives by enacting a state-wide mask mandate. However, since DeSantis is living is in an alternate universe regarding the severity of COVID-19, a mask mandate has to be enacted in Sumter County at the county level. Such a county mandate will have to be carefully drafted in light of DeSantis's executive-order suspending fines and penalties "on individuals" violating COVID regulations, but local action is necessary. Action by enough local governments will pressure DeSantis to get real in dealing with the virus.

Eventually, there will probably be a statewide mandate in Florida, but DeSantis will apparently only change his position after thousands of Floridians needlessly die.

Full disclosure, I voted for DeSantis, but he has fumbled the handling of COVID-19.

I think that Desantis is one of the best governors in this entire country. When this crisis first began, he had the foresight to protect our most vulnerable senior citizens by implementing strict visitation guidelines in assisted living and nursing home communities.

Some of the most abysmal statistics in that regard come from the states like Michigan, NY and NJ who put COVID-19 patients in with medically fragile elderly people while shutting out visits from their (very) concerned family members. The lack of common sense and decency in those so called leaders is beyond appalling and they are not the ones to look to for standards.

Statistics are simply not bearing out this idea that shut downs, mask mandates, curfews or other draconian rules are keeping citizens any safer.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Advogado

The bottom line is that Florida needs to join 35 other states and save lives by enacting a state-wide mask mandate. However, since DeSantis is living is in an alternate universe regarding the severity of COVID-19, a mask mandate has to be enacted in Sumter County at the county level. Such a county mandate will have to be carefully drafted in light of DeSantis's executive-order suspending fines and penalties "on individuals" violating COVID regulations, but local action is necessary. Action by enough local governments will pressure DeSantis to get real in dealing with the virus.

Eventually, there will probably be a statewide mandate in Florida, but DeSantis will apparently only change his position after thousands of Floridians needlessly die.

Full disclosure, I voted for DeSantis, but he has fumbled the handling of COVID-19.

States that require mask wearing are not faring any better than states without mandatory mask ordinances.
If fact some are doing considerably worse. Look it up.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

I prefer to trust my God-given immune system to take care of this much more than I trust Pfizer.

Bingo. No greater words of wisdom have been spoken in all these months, in my opinion, as regards the healthy among us, with no co-morbidities.

Not just the immune system, Oneclick, but our mental conviction that we're going to stay healthy (some might call it "faith," I call it the astonishingly powerful mind/body connection, which isn't given nearly enough credit, as I see it.)

7 Ways to Use Your Mind to Strengthen and Heal Your Body | Psychology Today

Mind & Body Connection: Helping Seniors Stay Healthy - California Mobility

[Jacob85]

You are so right! They are acting like it is gone and it’s never been worse. Guess some people thought it would be gone on Election Day but since this is science, guess they were wrong! When people are out there being super spreaders we can’t even go to the grocery store without being worried. They also discovered the mask protects both people which I thought all along.

[Jacob85]

You are so right! They are acting like it is gone and it’s never been worse. Guess some people thought it would be gone on Election Day but since this is science, guess they were wrong! When people are out there being super spreaders we can’t even go to the grocery store without being worried. They also discovered the mask protects both people which I thought all along. Herd amenity is not possible and a very bad idea as about 500,000 more people would have to die

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

NO!!I'm not going to stay home. I want to be a member of society who supports our restaurants, big box stores, small business, fitness centers, gas stations, retail stores, movie theaters (when ever they open up), coffee shops, etc, etc, etc. I'm doing my part to allow the economy to recover, keep the economy healthy and eventually thrive. That is what I'm doing and I do it with a mask on indoors and I keep my distance from others at all times. No reason for anyone to not remain employed and support their families if people adhere to the CDC guidelines.

American cities which are having spikes due to folks who are "Living their lives" are beginning to have shut downs and impose curfews. THAT is what happens when people "Live their lives". Do you understand why that is happening?

We can continue to "live our lives" as long as we wear masks and remain diligent about keeping our distance from others. That means no shoulder to shoulder proximity to others you do not know. The squares are a perfect example of that. I'm staying away from the squares but, NO, I will not stay home.

Then don't complain when someone does not agree with your view and decides not to wear a mask. You cannot make demands on other people, just because you believe all the hype and wish to panic when you see someone not wearing a mask. It is your choice to jump into the water. Most likely there won't be a 'gator in the water, but there could be. It is only your fault if you wish to enter the "danger" zone.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Brynnie

Why the derogatory words directed to people who are cautious and need to protect themselves? Snarky phrases like “cower in their homes” and “those with their hair on fire” say more about the people who use them than the people they’re mocking. Those who are healthy and plan to go out and “enjoy themselves” obviously have no clue that if they get the virus and are asymptomatic, they could spread it to others when they go shopping, to a restaurant, or wherever. We are all responsible for each other, regardless of what selfish people may think.

Nope, you are not responsible for "each other" unless you wish to take on the responsibility. Sorry, but I no longer wish to be responsible for anyone but whom I choose to be responsible for. And that currently is limited to my spouse. If that is being selfish in your eyes, then you are entitled to your opinion. But, in my eyes it is those that demand that are selfish.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Wearing masks will NOT make Covid “go away”. At best they may help slow the spread.

That is nothing new. It has long been touted that we must do everything we can to slow the spread of the virus. It was and remains imperative to slow the spread of the virus so we do not overwhelm our health care system and our over worked health care workers who put themselves at risk every time they go to work. Anyone who refuses to do their part is just not listening.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DrBrutyle109

Stay home. I’ll go out.

Sadly Fl. Gov. DeSantis has bent to the will of his superiors in Political leadership. And there are not enough free-thinking, empathetic Fl. citizens to complain and throttle back on his 100% opening up Florida edicts. Many more conscientious Governors of either party are dialing back selected activities in their state. They are, also, instituting needed mask mandates - despite mask-wearing having UNNECESSARILY become an extremely polarizing subject, a wedge issue. This should NEVER even become an issue in the US - it was easily accepted by the citizens of New Zealand when their government needed them to respond - no problem, they responded. Many other successful countries have reacted JUST like New Zealand. They TRUST their government because they show them the science of mask-wearing and they believe in science more than citizens do in the US. The US citizens put too much weight on anti-science promoters and obscure conspiracy theories - like Qanon. With US CV cases hitting a record of 184,000 per day, the US and particularly Florida are going to have to have a "come to Jesus" moment when America is cemented back together and wedge issues are "put in the rearview mirror" so that mask-wearing, restaurant limitations, and other limitations of activity are universally WELCOMED and ACCEPTED by citizens. Wedges need to be torn down and replaced with empathy and one single mindset to fight against the CV. The CV problem will become so BAD after Thanksgiving that Florida and the US will be dragged "kicking and screaming" back to science and empathy for each other. Because we are ALL together in one big boat and to survive we MUST cooperate. Failure to do this will cause Florida to become like South Dakota which today has a 60% positive CV rate, meaning that every 2 out of 3 persons is carrying the virus.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Yet, you would feel safer in those places with curfews, mask mandates, shut downs and schools shuttered.....even though all of those draconian measures are not helping. Does that even make sense?

I never said I want shut downs, curfews, schools shuttered or any of those economy shattering measures. You must have me mixed up with someone else.

What l I would like to see is universal masking when indoors, strict social distancing and masking outdoors when social distancing can not be maintained. I much prefer the conservative measures, if you will, than the Draconian measures you mentioned.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Jokomo

Society does have the right and the responsibility to protect its members from dangerous behaviors of others. It’s the core value of safety regulations, starting with not smoking in restaurants, wearing life jackets and seat belts, and ending with criminal laws against drunk driving, assault, and murder. People who don’t accept reasonable restrictions on group behavior, such as masking and social distancing, are a danger to themselves and others and should be treated accordingly.

That is YOUR opinion. My opinion is that it is not the gov's responsibility to regulate your healthy habits. Smoking in businesses is the businesses' business, not those that complain. If I do not wish to wear a mask, that does not make me dangerous. It is ONLY dangerous IF I have a contagious disease. Many of you folks insist that those that do not wear a mask are dangerous, and that is unfounded and you have no evidence that it is dangerous. If a person has been maskless all their lives and suddenly you decide they must wear a mask or be labeled dangerous just because of mass hysteria, then that is all on the one making baseless demands. And I say baseless because there is no evidence that those that do not wear a mask are even infected. The ones that say that demanding others to wear a mask if to protect other folks, do not know if that person that is maskless just came from a testing where he was deemed uninfected. Some folks always have an excuse to infringe on others' liberty.
Some folks need to be responsible for themselves and quit demanding others take care of them.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I never said I want shut downs, curfews, schools shuttered or any of those economy shattering measures. You must have me mixed up with someone else.

What l I would like to see is universal masking when indoors, strict social distancing and masking outdoors when social distancing can not be maintained. I much prefer the conservative measures, if you will, than the Draconian measures you mentioned.

WHY?
Perhaps I wish to see everyone wear only blue shirts and pants. Does my demand matter any less or more than yours?