[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Those are not "my" restrictions. They are the guidelines put forth by the experts in the field of epidemiology. Let's not forget that the CDC is in existence to maintain our public health and safety.

They are guidelines just like a hot weather advisory is a guideline which usually tells older people and those with compromised health to limit their time outdoors.

It doesn't mean that the elderly and those with compromised health are not allowed outdoors. They can go outside if that is what they choose to do.

A guideline to wear a mask and avoid crowded places are guidelines that you are free to follow. Always maintain at least 6 feet between yourself and another person and you should have no problem. Just don't expect others to do as you do.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Agreed that the US was ONCE a model for freedom and liberty for other countries to follow. That was about pre-1970. Today the world LAUGHS at us as we teeter on the brink of losing our precious freedoms. We are low on the world list for "quality of life". We have the HIGHEST wealth disparity of any western country. We have a recent tax cut that was NOT needed and further hurts the wealth disparity. We are fighting about little things like mask-wearing, when we need a united front against a dangerous Plague. Nobody, but me, mentions Global Warming because we created so many other problems for OURSELVES. Racism as a problem should have been fixed 50 years ago. WE had some elements of the GREATEST country back pre-1970 (at least whites did) but we evolved from that point rather sideways - not making substantial progress forward from there. So, here we are - some like yourself feel that the US is wonderful. I feel like we had our chance and BLEW it! And the future is NOT so bright that we have to wear shades - we have to wear HazMat suits!!!!!

You nailed it about our country not being a model for anything. We are mocked and ridiculed through the world. We have become a laughingstock, sadly. Our future is bleak right now.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Small correction: 60% is 3 out of 5, not 2 out of 3. And, more importantly, 60% represents the rate of *tests* that are coming back positive,. 3 out of 5 people tested have positive tests but since not all people are being tested it is not accurate to say that 3 out of 5 persons in South Dakota are carrying the virus.

You are correct that 60% would be 3 out of 5 - 2 of 3 would be 66%. I guess I thought 66 was close to 60 and 2 out of 3 sounded more relatable to most people. So, I stand corrected! The other part about 60% being positive results divided by total tested people. I am ASSUMING that the results of that small study can be extrapolated to the whole population of South Dakota. I am NOT assuming that it would be exactly 60% of the whole state. I doubt that EVEN the preparers of the statistics that were releasing that information could guarantee it to be even within 10% accuracy for the whole state.

I would say that it ONLY indicates that South Dakota is a much HOTTER hot spot than FL. is right now. It could be because of lower temperatures and more indoor gatherings ( maybe in churches, without masks). There may be a whole host of other factors. I really do NOT know. Maybe wearing cowboy boots is a magnet for the virus? I am sure that some University is studying that.

I was just trying to make TV Land more aware of the problem and the need to have more awareness and to overcome COVID fatigue and an unreasoned fear of mask-wearing. We are older than South Dakota and we live more closely together, so there is a reasonable worry that TV Land could have cases around 60% and then what happens?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There are several people on this board who question whether masks save lives. If *virtually* every expert in the field recommends them then that implies there are *some* experts in the field that don't. The states with strict mask mandates today are seeing an increase in cases too. Yes, they must be doing SOMETHING wrong, but maybe, just maybe, that SOMETHING is relying too much on the mask.

Personally, I DO believe masks can make a difference and I am happy to see businesses require them. I DON'T believe they are a complete solution or the only thing needed for a solution.

Masks CAN be a solution but we Americans are no where near the compliance that is needed to mitigate the virus. I'm afraid we will never see the compliance that is needed for masks to really be effective in slowing the spread. Sad, isn't it?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There are YouTube videos of scientific tests that use special light to show droplets emitted when people breathe. Then they show different situations and you can see how far the droplets travel - like with masks and when shouting and when sneezing. It is PROOF THAT MASKS WORK!

Glad you brought that up. Just in case anyone has not seen this video.........

How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

They are guidelines just like a hot weather advisory is a guideline which usually tells older people and those with compromised health to limit their time outdoors.

It doesn't mean that the elderly and those with compromised health are not allowed outdoors. They can go outside if that is what they choose to do.

A guideline to wear a mask and avoid crowded places are guidelines that you are free to follow. Always maintain at least 6 feet between yourself and another person and you should have no problem. Just don't expect others to do as you do.

So.......are you saying that those who refuse to do the right thing and do their part to quell a virus which has created havoc on the world are to be tolerated?

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

You are correct that 60% would be 3 out of 5 - 2 of 3 would be 66%. I guess I thought 66 was close to 60 and 2 out of 3 sounded more relatable to most people. So, I stand corrected! The other part about 60% being positive results divided by total tested people. I am ASSUMING that the results of that small study can be extrapolated to the whole population of South Dakota. I am NOT assuming that it would be exactly 60% of the whole state. I doubt that EVEN the preparers of the statistics that were releasing that information could guarantee it to be even within 10% accuracy for the whole state.

I would say that it ONLY indicates that South Dakota is a much HOTTER hot spot than FL. is right now. It could be because of lower temperatures and more indoor gatherings ( maybe in churches, without masks). There may be a whole host of other factors. I really do NOT know. Maybe wearing cowboy boots is a magnet for the virus? I am sure that some University is studying that.

I was just trying to make TV Land more aware of the problem and the need to have more awareness and to overcome COVID fatigue and an unreasoned fear of mask-wearing. We are older than South Dakota and we live more closely together, so there is a reasonable worry that TV Land could have cases around 60% and then what happens?

The people in South Dakota sure seem to love their governor. They even threw her parade!
She must be doing something right for her citizens to approve so highly of her.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

So.......are you saying that those who refuse to do the right thing and do their part to quell a virus which has created havoc on the world are to be tolerated?

Yes, absolutely we have to tolerate each other. The bottom line is we only have control over ourselves. If I am worried about catching this virus, I am going to 1) avoid crowds 2) stay 6 feet away from others at all times 3) wash my hands frequently 4) shop at less busy times. Masks won't do a thing if you don't do those 4 things and if you are doing those 4 things you should be good no matter what others may or may not do.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Advogado

I used the adverb "virtually" because I am sure that some purported "expert" does not agree that masks work. Neither I nor anybody else claims masks are a "complete" solution. They are clearly a necessary part of getting the virus under control, which is necessary to save both lives and our economy. We need immediate county action on a mask mandate.

So explain why states that have mandatory mask mandates are spiking at a rates equal to or higher than states without mandatory mask requirements? Look at the states & look at the number of positive cases. Then based on those numbers, justify why “we need immediate county action on a mask mandate”.

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by Pettys1

If your that considered then stay home. Order on line get delivery service.. People just want to live there lives. The numbers are fudged it's been proven... So just be cautious for yourself. Wear a mask,gloves an your ok... 95% of the people are wearing mask an they say the numbers are climbing? People you really need to do your own research not just CDC or Media we know how accurate they are

Spoke to a friend who is a key member of the staff of a hospital which I will not name. From what I've heard they have 60 beds and only 12 are occupied with Covid19 patients only 2 of them are critical. Yup, I'm convinced the numbers are fudged and it wasn't only this person's report.

On the opening of the squares I'm blessed that I partied, did the nightclub dance scene until I was 32 while still unmarried. I had enough of that party dance drinking scene to last me the rest of my life. I find it comical 50, 60 and 70 year old somethings acting like teenagers. You don't have to hit that party scene to enjoy a contented and happy life.

Stay healthy everyone do what you feel is right for you.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by B-flat

...I find it comical 50, 60 and 70 year old somethings acting like teenagers. You don't have to hit that party scene to enjoy a contented and happy life...

I don’t think they’re acting at all, especially not like teenagers. They’re living their life as 50, 60 and 70 year olds who actually enjoy the squares as part of their contented and happy life.

I find it comical...or maybe a better word is sad...when somebody judges others by their own standards when they really don’t have a clue.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by B-flat

Spoke to a friend who is a key member of the staff of a hospital which I will not name. From what I've heard they have 60 beds and only 12 are occupied with Covid19 patients only 2 of them are critical. Yup, I'm convinced the numbers are fudged and it wasn't only this person's report.

On the opening of the squares I'm blessed that I partied, did the nightclub dance scene until I was 32 while still unmarried. I had enough of that party dance drinking scene to last me the rest of my life. I find it comical 50, 60 and 70 year old somethings acting like teenagers. You don't have to hit that party scene to enjoy a contented and happy life.

Stay healthy everyone do what you feel is right for you.

Why should the kids have all the fun? When we move there I plan to spend my days going to fitness classes, golfing, biking, shopping, attending club meetings, swimming at the pool and once or twice a week we'll head to the squares for dinner, adult drinks and live entertainment.

[stanley]

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[Velvet]

“Stay healthy everyone do what you feel is right for you.”

That means I can go 180 mph on the highway with my Kawasaki 6R cause it feels right to me. (The bike is more steady at higher speeds.) Right?

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So explain why states that have mandatory mask mandates are spiking at a rates equal to or higher than states without mandatory mask requirements? Look at the states & look at the number of positive cases. Then based on those numbers, justify why “we need immediate county action on a mask mandate”.

I can explain it by questioning the accuracy of your statement and by referring you to this article, which is one of many confirming the effectiveness of mask mandates: Mask mandates: Why every state should have one, in 4 charts - Vox