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Old 11-14-2020, 01:10 PM
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I just say don’t go anywhere that you don’t feel comfortable going. We can not live in a shut down world. What’s good for some is not good for everyone!
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Did you hear about the 22 year old healthy as an ox young man who just died of Covid? What a shame. Good looking young guy shot down as his life was just beginning. Don't think that can't happen to any one of us. You say you are "healthy". Uh.....that doesn't help you sometimes.
No, didn't hear about the 22 year old. Can you provide a link?

I *did* hear about the 1,000 deaths in people under 30 out of 2,500,000 cases. That's approximately a 99.96% survival rate IF there are no non-diagnosed cases. If the estimate of 6 to 10 non-diagnosed cases for every known case is correct then it becomes a 99.993% survival rate.

I also heard about the 69,000 non-Covid deaths of people under 30. With 69 times greater chance of dying from something other than Covid, if I were in that age group I don't think Covid would be on the top of my list of things to watch out for.
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Can the TOTV just have a CCP aka Covid ban like politics? This is just beyond ridiculous...we have been on this hamster wheel of discussion for months now and it’s NEVER going to change...are people’s lives so boring that this is the only thought or discussion they can fixate on? Yesterday we had a nut job talking about shooting people who walked to close to him on a thread, I found this just unbelievable that his posts were not removed...yet I’ve had some pretty benign comments removed on this forum...the censorship here needs to take a look at their guidelines and find some consistency....
I would love nothing better than for people to stop obsessing over Covid and do whatever is right for them and whatever makes them feel safe. The problem is that people want to assert control over what others are doing and that isn't right.
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If you’re going to get it you are and if you’re not you won’t.
It doesn't work that way. Those who take the guidelines seriously and do everything they can to protect themselves and others have less risk of contracting the virus. Those who are carrying on as if there is no global pandemic are at greater risk of contracting the virus. Easy concept. Do you grasp it?
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Even if the vaccine IS available in December, I won't be rushing to get mine. I'd want to know what the side effects are and how it interacts with my current medication. I heard that one of the side effects is mental illness. Would someone with a predisposition to dementia or Alzheimer's be more likely to be affected? And, if so, would they want the shot or would they be willing to take their chances? Something to think about.
I read just the opposite about side effects. I read that a sore arm, flu like symptoms and a fever for a day or two is a common side effect but no other problems have arisen with the vaccine. Hmmm. I guess it depends on the news source. I believe I heard about no serious side effects from one of the TV networks.
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It is not the responsibility of The Villages to protect you. if you feel unsafe going to the squares, don't go.
You must take personal responsibility to protect yourself as you see fit.
The 1st principle of our Federal Government is to defend and protect its citizens. And that SHOULD (?) work its way down to local governments - even to The Villages. What could be a better Principle of The Villages than to fight AGAINST the spread of the deadliest threat to Villagers in modern history - rather than to fight FOR the spread of CV? Why play into its deadly clutches? For money??? To dance the YMCA???? To stroke your ego and say that, "I am a rugged individual - I fear no evil". "I am invincible like Rambo" !!!!!!
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Simple solution for you, don't go.
That is NOT a solution. It has been said numerous times by numerous people on this forum that those folks who go to the squares also go out into the community to all sorts of places. That is where they will be spreading their good joy this holiday season. Thanks but no thanks. You can keep your joy.
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No, didn't hear about the 22 year old. Can you provide a link?

I *did* hear about the 1,000 deaths in people under 30 out of 2,500,000 cases. That's approximately a 99.96% survival rate IF there are no non-diagnosed cases. If the estimate of 6 to 10 non-diagnosed cases for every known case is correct then it becomes a 99.993% survival rate.

I also heard about the 69,000 non-Covid deaths of people under 30. With 69 times greater chance of dying from something other than Covid, if I were in that age group I don't think Covid would be on the top of my list of things to watch out for.
There was a young athletic guy whose death was attributed to Covid. Turned out he had undiagnosed leukemia which made him very susceptible to getting sick. Not sure if that is the same guy or not.
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As of today’s date in Florida. 871,000 cases, 17,400 deaths, do the math. 2% death rate, 98% recovery rate. I know of plenty of people who have had the virus and have completely recovered with minor symptoms and have no complications, including myself. Last night in Brownwood Square it was blooming there had to be 200 people on the dance floor everyone was enjoying themselves and having a great time. If you want to stay home if you wanna wear your mask by all means do so but leave us who don’t think like you alone. We will be going to the restaurants, we will be going to the town squares, we will be enjoying life without the worry of catching the virus. And if I see you in the town square or walking the street I will be very proud to shake your hand. By the way don’t feel sorry for me and I don’t wanna hear your ridiculous argument about how we don’t know what the long-term effects are even if we recover.
It has been reported that people who were asymptomatic or very mild symptoms are having side effects of the virus. What those effects are, I do not know but it does not bode well that even people who were barely ill with Covid are having adverse effects after they recover.
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That is NOT a solution. It has been said numerous times by numerous people on this forum that those folks who go to the squares also go out into the community to all sorts of places. That is where they will be spreading their good joy this holiday season. Thanks but no thanks. You can keep your joy.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to cancel the holidays or to celebrate Christmas over Zoom. Luckily, it is possible to avoid human contact if that is important to you. All you have to do is stay home, order in and wait for a vaccine.
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It has been reported that people who were asymptomatic or very mild symptoms are having side effects of the virus. What those effects are, I do not know but it does not bode well that even people who were barely ill with Covid are having adverse effects after they recover.
Life comes with risks. Same thing could be said of pneumonia, the flu, strep or any other contagious illness. There can be lingering after affects. That doesn't mean you shut down the country and go into self isolation - there will always be viruses out there, it will never be completely safe.
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It is possible to entirely stay home if that is your choice. There is grocery delivery, there is delivery from the drug store (door dash) and there is telemedicine. If you need to go to your doctor's office, no one is allowed in without a temperature check, a mask and social distancing, so you are not going to catch it there. Why not let those small businesses survive?

Deaths of despair (suicide, drugs) are way up. Deaths of people not getting cancer checks are going to go way up. Deaths of people so afraid of Covid they have strokes and heart attacks and call no one are up. In New York, when the lockdown was strict, 63% of those catching the disease had been locked down. In other words, the fact that there are essential workers already means the disease can spread in the community to anyone going out at all, or letting someone in their home who goes out.

Epidemiologists before this year always said "lockdowns do not work" - exception: 100 percent lockdown early in the disease, but we can't do that. You can look up this fact on the WHO site. Epidemiologists had no evidence that lockdowns were suddenly going to work, they just used them to slow the spread, stopping hospitals from being overwhelmed. In spite of scary headlines that our hospitals have more in them that they did before, only one-third of those are in hospital for Covid and no hospital yet has been unable to accept patients.

- - In some degree it seems to be a function of where you get your news, sensationalism creates ratings - why not change the channel to different news or read some facts from the internet?

Those who doubt we will get a vaccine in December - Do you know non-political doctors say that is when it will happen? Again, your news channel gets ratings by scaring you. A large majority of Americans believe "the news" is often untruthful. Please cheer up. Stay home with only no-contact delivery if you decide to, but please cheer up at least about the vaccine.

Oh, and read the Great Barrington Declaration (find it through a search engine) - signed by tens of thousands of medical professionals including epidemiologists and public health officials.
South Dakota had to fly CV patients to Oregon.
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Old 11-14-2020, 01:39 PM
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Not a COVID denier - rather a COVID realist. We all need to be exposed for herd immunity to take effect. Be a patriot and take off your mask. Shakes hands with a stranger. Go to the town square events and mingle mingle mingle. We need to see 1,000,000 ... 2,000,000 ... 5,000,000 new cases (positivity tests - not deaths) every day. Lets "git'er done".

This is NOT sarcasm.
Not sarcasm, but it is complete stupidity.............the idea of Herd Immunity
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Recovery rate is 99+%. You got the same chances of getting pregnant with a condom. I think I'll take my chances and begin living life again. If course I'll wear mask if I cant distance myself.
Propaganda is "condomizing" American brains!
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Old 11-14-2020, 01:56 PM
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Nonsense. This assumes you know that you are contagious. The alternative is that we assume everyone is contagious (which is what most are doing now). And that's just ridiculous. I'm not responsible for making sure others don't catch the virus. Put on YOUR mask. Wash YOUR hands. Cower in YOUR house. Then, you don't have to worry about what everyone else is doing.

As if this isn't extreme absurdity already - can we just BAN all cars / planes/ lawnmowers to protect asthmatics from dying from pollution? Why aren't you worried about that?

"And you too must take personal responsibility for not putting any pollution in the air which will cause a child with asthma to die. Do it for the children."

It involves the same logic (but not the same agenda)
I AM very worried about pollution....both gas pollution and noise pollution from cars AND lawnmowers. Besides bad air to breathe, pollution CAUSES Global Warming (oh, oh, I just said that bad, ugly word - around here). The fact that you are NOT is a condemnation of the US education system that is producing SCIENCE-DENIERS (oh, another BAD word - I am going to wash my mouth out with soap). Please excuse me!
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