[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Did you hear about the 22 year old healthy as an ox young man who just died of Covid? What a shame. Good looking young guy shot down as his life was just beginning. Don't think that can't happen to any one of us. You say you are "healthy". Uh.....that doesn't help you sometimes.

Is that the one that was killed in a drive by shooting that was labeled "cased by COVID?"

[JoMar]

It's called acceptable collateral damage. The goal is to make sure the economy survives, make sure people come here and buy houses, that the business's in the squares have people attend so they can sell their stuff. If people get sick, or if people die it is considered collateral damage to achieve the goal and the propaganda is spewed to make it seem like it's a good thing. We used that model in the Vietnam war. There is no financial downside for opening squares or anything else until if it gets too bad that the local government is forced to do something and I don't think Sumter County has the desire to do anything. The businesses have never had a desire to do anything that wasn't mandated and the population has never had a desire to do anything if it interfered with their personal selfish agendas. The major health organizations in the world are in agreement, the major hospitals and research centers in US are in agreement that 1) there is no cure and stopping the virus won't happen until there is a vaccine and 2) while treatment has improved and they are keeping people alive, the long term effects of those with or without symptoms are unknown and 3) emerging studies that by contracting the virus, with or without symptoms, can decrease life expectancy by up to 10 years or more especially in the black and latino populations. It is comforting to know that those that are supporting the opening and selfishly want their life to return to normal have more knowledge then some of the best medical minds in the world.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

South Dakota had to fly CV patients to Oregon.

I would check on that. I could find no mention of it in a google search and the South Dakota Dept. of Health reports at least 33% hospital bed availability. In addition, to get to Oregon those patients would have been transported over Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. There are at least nine other states closer to South Dakota than Oregon and it's hard to believe a dozen states refused to help.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Lil GTO

If you’re going to get it you are and if you’re not you won’t.

What a philosopher!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tom M

Please cite your source before you throw stuff out like that. I believe you're confusing a side effect of COVID survivors as mental illness (all the more reason to get the vaccine). And "mental illness" includes depression and anxiety - both of which are certainly understandable if someone gets Covid.

Agree with your post above.

Article about what to expect with the Covid vaccine. Mental illness is not mentioned......

Covid-19 vaccines may have potentially unpleasant side effects

[Kilmacowen]

Covid patients need Intensive care beds, not just any bed.

[Marykschulz]

Our governor is part of the problem, stifling daily Covid reports. The Orlando Sentinel has had to use legal means to get the information. Pretending everything is ok does not make it so. The people who do don’t believe in Covid should sign a waiver saying they won’t seek hospital care if they get infected.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GPGuar

I couldn’t agree more, how many threads need to be written about masks or Covid19. Enough already! Wear a mask or don’t, go to the squares or stay inside, just use the common sense that God gave you and try to be safe. Covid will pass hopefully sooner than later. I like reading TOTV but I’m really getting sick of the same type of threads about masks and covid19 over and over again. JMO!

You can choose not to click on the thread that discusses Covid or anything to do with Covid. It really is a very simple fix for you. Many of us enjoy the discussion so we decide to click on the thread. Click or don't click.....that is the decision you must make. Not too tough, is it?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

This is what the sky is falling crowd refuse to accept. Yes, covid cases have gone up. THAT IS GOOD! You know why? Because hospitalizations and deaths have gone DOWN! That means herd immunity is spreading.
When I use the FL dashboard, I am only interested in hospitalizations and deaths. The rest is just numbers for the "I'm not living my life and I don't want anyone else to, either" crowd to whine about.

A strange distortion of REALITY - those statements. Every TV channel is showing that Utah is at Hospital capacity, they are deciding who lives or dies. This COULD(?) be you someday that the Doctors are deciding about whether YOU die. Maybe they just flip a coin? Wisconsin has 37% positive cases. Every THIRD person is INFECTED! How is THAT NOT an emergency? The US Constitution does NOT give the people dancing at the squares the right to endanger the lives of ANY other people. They are WRONG and double wrong!

[Tom M]

Originally Posted by doodles

Was announced that essential services will be first the rest of us should not expect vaccines until April at the earliest

Please cite sources. The CDC does not say anything about April. They mention some will be available by the end of this year.Frequently Asked Questions about COVID-19 Vaccination | CDC

Fauci mentioned that it would be available to all Americans by April. That's toward the end of the vaccine period, not the beginning. Those over age 65 will likely be earlier.

‘Help is coming — and it’s coming soon’: Dr. Fauci outlines when COVID-19 vaccine will be available to all Americans - MarketWatch

I remain hopeful that seniors and those at risk will have vaccines available to them by January/February.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

In reality , you anti maskers and risk takers are putting the healthcare workers at risk and other people in your community and most likely looking for attention . When there are no more ventilators for you or a shortage of doctors or nurses , don’t complain about it . As you say , “live your life “ without being able to breath and don’t complain about it , Sadly . You are a healthcare workers worst nightmare. No the squares should not reopen right now . The country just saw its highest one day new cases number of Covid 19 , 152,000 in a day . At that rate it means every 10 days 1 million 520 thousand people will have contracted Covid 19 . In 100 days a 3rd of the country could contract the virus . That’s pretty serious numbers all because people want to live their life and not take precautions like the smart people who do . You can’t blame the President for this . Thank you for the people who are taking precautions and sacrificing and staying home. God speed . We can fight and stop this .

You are THE MAN - Mr. Marine. You are a credit to your country and to TV Land. May your spirit, intelligence, and clarity of thinking and writing live on FOREVER! God loves his Jarheads.

[Tom M]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I read just the opposite about side effects. I read that a sore arm is a common side effect but no other problems have arisen with the vaccine. Hmmm. I guess it depends on the news source. I believe I heard about no serious side effects from one of the TV networks.

I've been looking around and can't find any of these dramatic side effects...
Side Effects of COVID-19 Vaccines By Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, J&J | Observer

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Plain&peanut

If people think they will die or get sick from going to the squares then they should stay home. It’s that simple. Personal responsibility
Life has choices.

Have you been listening? Those folks who will pack the squares will also go out into the community and pass along the virus to those around them. Masks do help to minimize the risk of contracting Covid but they are not 100%. Not even N95 masks are 100% protective. Social distancing is another form of mitigation but that is not 100% either. Aerosols, carrying the virus, can float in the air for several hours and can infect people, even if they have on masks.

Masks and social distancing are not 100% protective but do lower the risk of contracting Covid. Holding up at home is not an option for many people so why do you want to put unsuspecting people at risk of contracting the virus? You are not doing your part to slow the spread of the virus. That is not very neighborly.

[Advogado]

North Dakota just became the 35th state to implement a state-wide mask mandate. Masks will become mandatory here, sooner or later. It is just a question of whether thousands of Floridians will unnecessarily die before our politicians (either state or county) muster the political courage to do the right thing..

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Kilmacowen

Covid patients need Intensive care beds, not just any bed.

Assuming this was directed at my comment....

This is not exactly true. According to the SD DoH, Covid patients are occupying 20% of their staffed hospital beds. According to the same page, 33.1% of their ICU beds are unoccupied.

Regardless of the type of bed, the fact still remains that there are a dozen states closer than Oregon that patients could have been driven to or flown to if necessary. It's possible that Oregon was chosen for some reason but I would expect to be able to find a source for that claim.