[bkcunningham1]

The intent of the form of government that started all of TV is to eventually turn over the government to the residents. That is why the historic area where I live is under the governance of Lady Lake and the representatives are elected. It isn't just the intent, it is dictated by Florida statute, Chapter 190.

[PennBF]

Nothing that I know of remains static or stands still. Everything changes over time. I don't know of a large successful Corporation that does not have someone looking forward over time which is sometimes called 5 year plans.
I am truly surprised this suggestion was taken the way it was and apologize for creating such anger. The message was convoluted and the messenger was shot. Time to move on. Time for the moderator to cancel the thread.

[llaran]

The newer area's are better kept because they are still selling; some new people have never been as far as Spanish Springs or across 441 to the "old" side. can see the changes; orange blossom resturant closed, El Santiago resturant closed, church on the square and beautiful courtyard next door.

the developer owns all the squares and the 18 hole golf courses, any could be sold at any time.

[senior citizen]

The Villages has an excellent marketing department, which is a primary reason for their phenomenal success. They have sent out copious amounts of literature, videos, floor plans, maps and so on and so forth........
No other development can afford do that , nor has the inclination to do that.
Just try requesting information from other 55+ communities.

Like the old saying, "If you build it, they will come"......their success has been word of mouth praise from very happy consumers. It is absolutely amazing how many people in Vermont have heard of THE VILLAGES.

It runs akin to "Disney World" as far as name recognition.

Even to people who have never been there.

I have no doubt that THE VILLAGES will survive........whereby so many other start up communities fell by the wayside during the last recession.

In other parts of Florida, coast to coast, beautiful homes are out there for the buying.......but the rest of the street is spotted with weedy lots and murky pool water in the abandoned homes.

So many foreclosures and short sales, all over Florida ........if one just is looking for a dwelling to purchase..........but one has to think of their surroundings as well.

As I said the other day, TV has excellent zoning and a beautiful total community.......no matter which village one ends up in. All tastefully done.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by llaran

The newer area's are better kept because they are still selling; some new people have never been as far as Spanish Springs or across 441 to the "old" side. can see the changes; orange blossom resturant closed, El Santiago resturant closed, church on the square and beautiful courtyard next door.

the developer owns all the squares and the 18 hole golf courses, any could be sold at any time.

I don't agree.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by llaran

The newer area's are better kept because they are still selling; some new people have never been as far as Spanish Springs or across 441 to the "old" side. can see the changes; orange blossom resturant closed, El Santiago resturant closed, church on the square and beautiful courtyard next door.

the developer owns all the squares and the 18 hole golf courses, any could be sold at any time.

Correct me if I am wrong on this. The newer parts were not involved in the lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happened to them.

Orange Blossom restaurant closed, not because the developer closed it but because the restauranteur failed to renew the lease. I am sure that it is available to rent. Church on the square is being enlarged to make it a bigger venue for musical entertainment. None of this was done to people...it is evolving. Church on the Square was always a venue for music performance, it will be bigger now. We are a bigger city now.

AND you are so right. Things like golf courses could be sold. But it seems like they are thriving businesses.

I hope the developer does not ever pull out and the residents run this place. What a mess it would be.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Correct me if I am wrong on this. The newer parts were not involved in the lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happened to them.

Orange Blossom restaurant closed, not because the developer closed it but because the restauranteur failed to renew the lease. I am sure that it is available to rent. Church on the square is being enlarged to make it a bigger venue for musical entertainment. None of this was done to people...it is evolving. Church on the Square was always a venue for music performance, it will be bigger now. We are a bigger city now.

AND you are so right. Things like golf courses could be sold. But it seems like they are thriving businesses.

I hope the developer does not ever pull out and the residents run this place. What a mess it would be.

Gracie, are you referring to the class action lawsuit regarding the mold at Paradise Recreation Center and the amenities monies? That involved The Villages of Lake-Sumter Inc., the Village Center Community Development District and developer H. Gary Morse.

What are you talking about when you say a lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happens to them? That is a new on to me. Do say? Say more, please.

[janmcn]

The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.

Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.

Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.

Explain to me how closing restaurants benefit the owners of the buildings? It sounds like you mean it was done as a nasty act. It appears to me that the people who were renting didn't renew the lease. How do you see it, Janmcn?

From DAY one the Church on the Square was a musical venue. A church congregation used it for a year or so but since then it has only had one non denominational service per week with changing speakers and no other church activities. It was part of the "Look" of a Spanish town created by the developers with the help of their Disney advisors. We talked about this before on this forum and someone posted a link to a Presbyterian or Episcopal Church using the facility for a time at the beginning.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Gracie, are you referring to the class action lawsuit regarding the mold at Paradise Recreation Center and the amenities monies? That involved The Villages of Lake-Sumter Inc., the Village Center Community Development District and developer H. Gary Morse.

What are you talking about when you say a lawsuit that gave certain areas a say in what happens to them? That is a new on to me. Do say? Say more, please.

I don't know BK. I was under the impression that was when it was set up for that part of The Villages to vote for representatives that now have some part in the decision making. Remember all of that hoopla about signs north of 466 and the elected folks were going to vote yes or no about having for sale signs or political signs? We don't vote on anything in our part of town. So I don't know.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.

Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.

I have a question for anyone, and if it has been already asked and answered I am sorry, and if it is dumb, I apologize.

How long must the developers family stay here and keep it all going...is there some sort of time line that folks expected when they moved here...are they stuck here until all members of the family dies...or can they sell what they own and move on, without having the ruination of life itself blamed on them ?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The Church on the Square was built as a church. That is why it was named 'Church on the Square', not 'entertainment venue on the square'. When it was built, there was only one other church in TV...the All Faiths Chapel in Paradise. Some residents have called Church on the Square their house of worship for over 15 years, now no one knows if it will ever be a church again.

Residents have seen the same action played out by the developer over and over...Silver Oak restaurant, closed for repairs; Chula Vista restaurant, closed for repairs; Santiago restaurant, closed for repairs; Orange Blossom County Club, closed for repairs. It remains to be seen if OBCC and the tiki bar will ever open again. The next restaurant in their sights is Tierra Del Sol.

If I'm not mistaken, all those places are private businesses, so we have no right to them. If they make money they stay, otherwise they go or get changed into something else.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Explain to me how closing restaurants benefit the owners of the buildings? It sounds like you mean it was done as a nasty act. It appears to me that the people who were renting didn't renew the lease. How do you see it, Janmcn?

From DAY one the Church on the Square was a musical venue. A church congregation used it for a year or so but since then it has only had one non denominational service per week with changing speakers and no other church activities. It was part of the "Look" of a Spanish town created by the developers.

When the businesses fail or close for whatever reason, the developer then sells the property to the CDD for an exorborant amount. What did the residents just pay for the Santiago building? Somewhere around $300,000 for a building that should be condemned.

Perhaps someone can explain to my 90 year old neighbors that the church they have been worshiping in for the past decade is not really a church at all. Some experts on the subject may never have attended a service there.

[perrjojo]

When the Villages outgrow it's population??? To me that would mean that TV has more homes than residents. TV would be too big for the number of people living here.

Perhaps the OP meant ...when the population outgrows TV. But then that would mean that more people lived here than there were homes. Don't think that will happen.

All in all it is not clear what is meant, as many have suggested.

Perhaps the OP meant that with over 100,000 residents we will lose that Village "feel"?

Perhaps the OP is just worried because the future is never certain anywhere and wants someone to worry with him/her. Or maybe the OP wants us to be reassuring that all will be fine.

Beats me what this means.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I have a question for anyone, and if it has been already asked and answered I am sorry, and if it is dumb, I apologize.

How long must the developers family stay here and keep it all going...is there some sort of time line that folks expected when they moved here...are they stuck here until all members of the family dies...or can they sell what they own and move on, without having the ruination of life itself blamed on them ?

Of course they are free to take their billions of dollars and move on whenever or wherever they like.

And no people don't resent them for having made billions of dollars. If the American people hated rich people, Bill Gates would be the most hated man in America, followed by Warren Buffet, followed closely by the late Steve Jobs. That is not the case at all.

We should all say Godspeed to the Morses.