[Love2Swim]

The federal government had a plan, wherein they saw their role as getting the vaccine to the states, then letting the states get the vaccine to the people. What needed to happen was proper funding to the states to accomplish distribution of the vaccine. States don't have the resources or manpower to handle such a massive undertaking. And this is just another failure of the federal government that we have seen repeatedly for the last year, like lack of guidance and $$ for Covid testing, and the lack of personal and protective equipment for medical personnel. The feds should be working hand in hand with the states, to figure out what they need. Help out the overworked state Health Departments with logistics, with personnel from FEMA or the National Guard if needed. In January, there will be a change in federal leadership, and there has been action pledged. It can't come soon enough. Officials had promised 20 million vaccinated by the end of the year, yet less than 3 million have been vaccinated.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by love2swim

the federal government had a plan, wherein they saw their role as getting the vaccine to the states, then letting the states get the vaccine to the people. What needed to happen was proper funding to the states to accomplish distribution of the vaccine. States don't have the resources or manpower to handle such a massive undertaking. And this is just another failure of the federal government that we have seen repeatedly for the last year, like lack of guidance and $$ for covid testing, and the lack of personal and protective equipment for medical personnel. The feds should be working hand in hand with the states, to figure out what they need. Help out the overworked state health departments with logistics, with personnel from fema or the national guard if needed. In january, there will be a change in federal leadership, and there has been action pledged. It can't come soon enough. Officials had promised 20 million vaccinated by the end of the year, yet less than 3 million have been vaccinated.

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[Bucco]

Originally Posted by John41

Here is the federal governments plan to help the states distribute the vaccine which many in the media said was impossible to develop in a year. So it is a falsehood to say the federal government dumped it on the states.
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tember 18, 2020 -- The federal government has released information about how it plans to distribute a COVID-19 vaccine once it’s approved by the FDA.

During a Wednesday news briefing, federal officials said they hope to make the vaccine free of charge and available within 24 hours of approval. Health care workers and other essential workers will probably be the first to get the vaccine, which will initially be released in small quantities.

But they admitted many questions remain about the vaccine -- such as which ones will be approved.

"We're dealing in a world of great uncertainty," Paul Mango, deputy chief of staff for policy at the Department of Health Human Services, said, according to CNN. "We don't know the timing of when we'll have a vaccine. We don't know the quantities. We don't know the efficacy of those vaccines."

The administration has published two documents about vaccine distribution.

Health and Human Services posted an 11-page distribution strategy titled "From the Factory to the Frontlines: The Operation Warp Speed Strategy for Distributing a COVID-19 Vaccine."

The CDC posted the 57-page "COVID-19 Vaccination Program Interim Playbook for Jurisdiction Operations."

Look...do not want to belabor the point.

My posts to you have been to correct your statements relative to all 50 states getting together and, as you said "insisting they be in charge". That did not happen, andvfrom memory, I recall some calls to use some provisions to enhance distribution.

They also, at least to my knowledge are not, as promised a number of times, using our military in the distribution.

Doesn't matter as long as it gets into the arms of our citizenry.

Keep in mind, resources are thin in local government right now, and the bill to help financially was not even approved a week ago.

Let's hope someone, somehow finds a way to pick up the pace

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

The federal government had a plan, wherein they saw their role as getting the vaccine to the states, then letting the states get the vaccine to the people. What needed to happen was proper funding to the states to accomplish distribution of the vaccine. States don't have the resources or manpower to handle such a massive undertaking. And this is just another failure of the federal government that we have seen repeatedly for the last year, like lack of guidance and $$ for Covid testing, and the lack of personal and protective equipment for medical personnel. The feds should be working hand in hand with the states, to figure out what they need. Help out the overworked state Health Departments with logistics, with personnel from FEMA or the National Guard if needed. In January, there will be a change in federal leadership, and there has been action pledged. It can't come soon enough. Officials had promised 20 million vaccinated by the end of the year, yet less than 3 million have been vaccinated.

And if that isn't bad enough, we have 70 and 80 year olds waiting in line for hours to get a vaccine, on a first come first served basis. That is just plain stupid.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The vaccine was released on Dec 18 and this original post was made on Dec 30.

Did anyone really expect 330 million doses to be distributed in 12 days?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

The vaccine was released on Dec 18 and this original post was made on Dec 30.

Did anyone really expect 330 million doses to be distributed in 12 days?

No, not 330 million. But we did hope for something closer to the 20 million number.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

No, not 330 million. But we did hope for something closer to the 20 million number.

Actually, and who knows the accurate number....only a little over 12 million have even been delivered.

[C. C. Rider]

First, I have no idea who is to blame for not having more vaccine available sooner, so I'm not going to address that issue. I will simply offer an opinion on who I think should be allowed to get the vaccine first.

I realize that there are many factors that can make one person more vulnerable to the Coronavirus than another person, but it would be an impossible task to try to fairly rank all of the various factors that would make one person more vulnerable than another person.

For example, how would you decide whether heart problems, cancer, diabetes, obesity, race, age, kidney problems, or any of dozens of others factors would move a person to the front of the line? It would be impossible to rank all those factors and a nightmare to try to administer and control based on all these factors... not to mention that many people would get fake doctor's orders for some condition to try to get to the front of the line.

So, I think that a simple approach is the best and undoubtedly the easiest to implement and control... and that would be to base it on AGE only. They could do this by announcing that on the date of their first shipment, they would give the vaccine ONLY to people over the age of 85. If, after a couple of days the lines start to dwindle for people over the age of 85, then (assuming they still have vaccine available) lower the age to 82.

Then, after a few more days when the lines start to dwindle for those 82 and over, they could lower the age requirement to 80. Then just keep lowering the age every few days (or weeks) until everyone who wants a vaccine has received it. It would be the easiest way of determining who is eligible because all the patient would have to do is produce identification such as a valid Driver's License or something similar to confirm their age. No one would have a valid claim of being discriminated against because either you are old enough to qualify or you're not. How much money you have or who you know or what "condition" you claim to have would not enter into the picture. Either produce valid evidence of your qualifying age or Hit The Road Jack. No other excuse or alibi is going to move you to the front of the line.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

The vaccine was released on Dec 18 and this original post was made on Dec 30.

Did anyone really expect 330 million doses to be distributed in 12 days?

no, of course not. but what I think would help is some semblance of a plan. this "roll out" looks like there is no thought behind it. it's about as effective as throwing paper towels at a crowd of people....

[biker1]

Since you aren't involved in the distribution plan you really don't know what you are talking about. Logistics is complicated. It is often those who know the least who are the most critical.

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

no, of course not. but what I think would help is some semblance of a plan. this "roll out" looks like there is no thought behind it. it's about as effective as throwing paper towels at a crowd of people....

[Lottoguy]

It's the older folks who are overloading the hospitals. This is what their trying to prevent.

[Topspinmo]

Just cause you get vaccine don’t mean you are automatically revert back to normal? There is too much unknown about virus and the vaccine.

Even After Getting Vaccinated, You Could Still Infect Others | FiveThirtyEight

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Just cause you get vaccine don’t mean you are automatically revert back to normal? There is too much unknown about virus and the vaccine.

Even After Getting Vaccinated, You Could Still Infect Others | FiveThirtyEight

Rebukes in 4......3.....2....1...

[Carla B]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

First, I have no idea who is to blame for not having more vaccine available sooner, so I'm not going to address that issue. I will simply offer an opinion on who I think should be allowed to get the vaccine first.

I realize that there are many factors that can make one person more vulnerable to the Coronavirus than another person, but it would be an impossible task to try to fairly rank all of the various factors that would make one person more vulnerable than another person.

For example, how would you decide whether heart problems, cancer, diabetes, obesity, race, age, kidney problems, or any of dozens of others factors would move a person to the front of the line? It would be impossible to rank all those factors and a nightmare to try to administer and control based on all these factors... not to mention that many people would get fake doctor's orders for some condition to try to get to the front of the line.



So, I think that a simple approach is the best and undoubtedly the easiest to implement and control... and that would be to base it on AGE only. They could do this by announcing that on the date of their first shipment, they would give the vaccine ONLY to people over the age of 85. If, after a couple of days the lines start to dwindle for people over the age of 85, then (assuming they still have vaccine available) lower the age to 82.

Then, after a few more days when the lines start to dwindle for those 82 and over, they could lower the age requirement to 80. Then just keep lowering the age every few days (or weeks) until everyone who wants a vaccine has received it. It would be the easiest way of determining who is eligible because all the patient would have to do is produce identification such as a valid Driver's License or something similar to confirm their age. No one would have a valid claim of being discriminated against because either you are old enough to qualify or you're not. How much money you have or who you know or what "condition" you claim to have would not enter into the picture. Either produce valid evidence of your qualifying age or Hit The Road Jack. No other excuse or alibi is going to move you to the front of the line.

I think your idea has a lot of merit. How does Sumter County, with a small initial supply of 2500 doses, hope to avoid chaos by merely providing a phone number to call. It will be interesting to see how that goes this coming week.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Actually, and who knows the accurate number....only a little over 12 million have even been delivered.

This is a vaccine the media and their "experts" said would be a miracle to get by the end of 2020. Here is the miracle and you are still providing false information to TOTV. FYI the new surgeon general who will be in charge
next year already said he cannot meet the Operation Warp Speed vaccine distribution schedule. Failure before even trying. I would give you the quote but you choose to ignore facts. Here is what one state had to say about federal pandemic help.
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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is never shy to point out that President Donald Trump attacks him more than any other governor in America.

But on Monday, Cuomo took to an unlikely venue -- The Howard Stern Show -- to offer genuine praise for the president's response to the coronavirus in his home state.

"He has delivered for New York. He has," Cuomo said of Trump, in response to a question from Stern about whether the president has really done anything of consequence to help.

"By and large it has worked," Cuomo said of the relationship.