[PR1234]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Golfing Nut, Augie and Loves Sports
Since only members who enjoy Political would OPT IN to the Political Forum and continue participating, then how could an OPT IN Forum possibly negatively affect the rest of TOTV?

Soooo Agree! Does anyone else feel like TV is becoming a Stepford Community?? First the newspaper will not allow any 'bad news', now the political 'opt in' forum is shut down!! What next?? Aren't we all adults??? WHY do we have to have decisions made for us as to what we should and should not see or participate in???? UGH!!!!!!!!!!!

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Golfing Nut, Augie and Loves Sports
Since only members who enjoy Political would OPT IN to the Political Forum and continue participating, then how could an OPT IN Forum possibly negatively affect the rest of TOTV?

Hi, Barefoot. Nice to hear from you. I see all the posts supporting both sides of this issue and when I read them and think about each one, my and only my opinion, is that it is bad for TOTV. I love political and will be a member as long as its available, but I have no doubts in my mind that it is a negative thing for TOTV to be associated with a political forum. I am trying to give that opinion without any sarcasm nor directly insulting anyone and I feel better for it. It never worked the other way when I would give back insults and sarcasm, so this has to be a better way. I sincerely apologize to anyone that has been on the receiving end of any sarcasm or insult from me. That is not the real me. I have met in person a very prolific writer that I always disagree with on the suspended site and I found him to be a credible gentlemen, so I also would like to get back to posting and debating the issues we all face, BUT BUT BUT that does not take away my gut feeling that to have a link (OPT IN or NOT) associated with TOTV is not a good thing. I truly believe if you delete it permanently, you may loose a very small amount of members, but I would bet the membership would go up in the other forums. I have asked to be forgiven for any past mistakes I personally have made on TOTV and wish to move on in a positive way. I hold no grudge against those that have slung a few less than kind words my way.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Xavier

Hey, it's great to be back. It's been a long time.

I just heard the good news regarding the closing of the Political section of TOTV. GREAT news! I will probably miss being called an idiot or a moron on a regular basis, but I'll survive. TOTV is now truly the best it can be.

I'm lovin' the smell of fresh air.

Xavier

Welcome back.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by kentucky blue

I agree,how many posts in one thread do some of you people need to try to get your point across.............. 20,25,30??????????Enough is enough is enough is enough is enough.Any wonder after reading all these post why political forums have the reputation they so rightfully deserve.

you and Xavier both set the example, once again, of folks who have a complaint about political.
As has been asked so many times before, did you think the opt in was for some exclusive club (of course this is sarcasm).
And for Xavier who has joined the negative chorus, you too have so much expertise in the political forum to do some bashing as well.

Two more typical bashings from those who express a distaste for bashing or what ever else all the negative posters call it.

I am still waiting for at least one of the negative commentors to elaborate on why the good ridance? Or explain how the political forum affects any other part of TOTV.
And my favorite....if it is opt in and you know you don't like political and if you have an ounce of knowledge of what goes on in ANY political discussions then why, please tell us why YOU GO THERE!!!.

And oh by the way the other question that never gets answered, the political forum is not as nasty as the current POTUS (that would be President of the United States for those who don't do political) campaigning. I suspect some of you will punish them by not voting....eh? That makes as much sense as the unfounded negative commentary.

btk

[rp001]

Originally Posted by billethkid

you and Xavier both set the example, once again, of folks who have a complaint about political.
As has been asked so many times before, did you think the opt in was for some exclusive club (of course this is sarcasm).
And for Xavier who has joined the negative chorus, you too have so much expertise in the political forum to do some bashing as well.

Two more typical bashings from those who express a distaste for bashing or what ever else all the negative posters call it.

I am still waiting for at least one of the negative commentors to elaborate on why the good ridance? Or explain how the political forum affects any other part of TOTV.
And my favorite....if it is opt in and you know you don't like political and if you have an ounce of knowledge of what goes on in ANY political discussions then why, please tell us why YOU GO THERE!!!.

And oh by the way the other question that never gets answered, the political forum is not as nasty as the current POTUS (that would be President of the United States for those who don't do political) campaigning. I suspect some of you will punish them by not voting....eh? That makes as much sense as the unfounded negative commentary.

btk

It's NOT a debate...Just an opinion..Good riddance

[eweissenbach]

This thread is like a mult-car collision on the interstate - it is horrifying, but I can't make myself turn away. Again I say, the passion exhibited discussing the political forum's demise is like the political forum itself - spirited! Unless you are the administrator or a moderator, I find it incredible that you would wish the forum to be ended. Why would you simply not opt in, and thus eliminate any anguish it may cause from your life? As for the confrontation spilling over into other forums, that is what is happening here - by eliminating the poli board all those confrontational people are here on the gentle, amiable general discussion board causing you angst.

[justjim]

Why are those deeply involved with the Political Forum so concerned by its current demise? I thought about it for a while. True story. Speaking from personal experience and making what could be a long story short. I have two long time friends who are of different political persuasion. One is very passionate and very much type A personality and the other passionate but "laid back." You guessed it! They got into a political discussion (fight) one day and..........anyway, they didn't associate with one another for about six months. Finally with some help from their friends and spouses they "mended the fences" but they will probably never be the same. Silly, I know, but true. Moral of the story, be very careful discussing politics with friends who are "wired" differently. It is fairly easy to built a "fence" between your friendships.

Bottom line----the Political Forum provided an "outlet" to discuss political opinions with "friends" who are just like you and some who are "wired" very differently. Instead of being upset for six months or longer, folks could jab back and got over it in a post or two IMHO. A great many of the posts were very informative. Mr./Mrs./Ms. Administrator some of your Best Posters really need you to revisit The Political Forum. "I don't like that man, I must get to know him better." Abraham Lincoln.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I find another benefit of this thread going on so long.....there is, in some, the very distinct, familiar pattern of baiting....nahhhhhh that couldn't be right this is General Discussion.....eh?

Whenever one of the observers that state how the political forum corrupts the entirety of TOTV.....PLEASE, PLEASE share your knowledge of this profound proclamation by providing a couple of examples.

We all know one would not make such statements without proof or minimally some clarification or incident.

btk

If you read and look closely, it does seem that there is a familiar pattern of speech, attitude and baiting. I too am wondering what is going on here. Hhhmmmm.

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by rp001

It's NOT a debate...Just an opinion..Good riddance

Excellent point. We are all just stating how we feel, not trying to start a debate.

I believe it is all sincere, without any conspiracies going on. No need to prove others "wrong" by debating or challenging how they feel.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Xavier

Hey, it's great to be back. It's been a long time.

I just heard the good news regarding the closing of the Political section of TOTV. GREAT news! I will probably miss being called an idiot or a moron on a regular basis, but I'll survive. TOTV is now truly the best it can be.

I'm lovin' the smell of fresh air.

Xavier

xavier - welcome back! now that you're here, may i ask why you hung around political if you were called an idiot or a moron on a regular basis? why did you not OPT OUT? did you stick around political just to bait and antagonize the other posters? why would you subject yourself to that behavior?

[rp001]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

xavier - welcome back! now that you're here, may i ask why you hung around political if you were called an idiot or a moron on a regular basis? why did you not OPT OUT? did you stick around political just to bait and antagonize the other posters? why would you ubject yourself to that behavior?

I think that is really the crux of the issue..Why was he called anything??? If the opinion differed from the "few" then the person was run out...that seems to be the truth of the matter...hence, Good Riddance

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Excellent point. We are all just stating how we feel, not trying to start a debate.

I believe it is all sincere, without any conspiracies going on. No need to prove others "wrong" by debating or challenging how they feel.

i know i don't mean to challenge or prove someone wrong - BUT - i would like to know 'why' from a lot of the posters who offer their opinion and offer no explanation from whence it came. is that unreasonable?

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

i know i don't mean to challenge or prove someone wrong - BUT - i would like to know 'why' from a lot of the posters who offer their opinion and offer no explanation from whence it came. is that unreasonable?

Well, I think asking "why" as a form of active listening is admirable. Asking "why" in order to trigger a debate or encourage criticisms of the poster for feeling a certain way is actually unreasonable IMHO.

Also, some of us have explained and it seems that our explanations were not listened to. So after giving it the old college try, we just say again, I'm here to express my feelings openly. My mission is not to make you agree or like them, or to "prove" their legitimacy.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by rp001

I think that is really the crux of the issue..Why was he called anything??? If the opinion differed from the "few" then the person was run out...that seems to be the truth of the matter...hence, Good Riddance

rp001 -

"Why was he called anything???" - because that's what happens in an OPT IN environment?

"...then the person was run out..." if xavier stuck around, how was he run out?

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Well, I think asking "why" as a form of active listening is admirable. Asking "why" in order to trigger a debate or encourage criticisms of the poster for feeling a certain way is actually unreasonable IMHO.

quirky3 - i just try to learn - the same way i try to learn in political. but if i am challenged to debate, i will try to rise to the occasion.