[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

I remember there was a time when builders use to have deed restrictions not allowing sales to Jews and Blacks.

Deed restrictions are not set in steel. Time for TV to have a re-look at the restrictions.

With the unbridled growth of TV most new buyers aren't of a generation comfortable living with houses made of Ticky Tacky That All Look The Same.

Not a single person was forced to buy here. And not a single person need stay if they don't like the way a CDD is run. Their home can be sold and usually at a profit if it is clean, appropriately priced, not smoked in or peed in a lot by animals. People can live in bigger homes nearby and not have to pay the approximately $150 amenity fee levied for all no matter how big or how small their homes are.

Nope. If a person doesn't like it here then they can choose to live elsewhere. The cost of moving is much less here than in any other part of the country.

Gracie, who has never seen one segment of Game of Thrones and who had lived comfortably in her old neighborhood for more than twenty years with many ethnicities and nationalities attracted by good jobs at Proctor and Gamble...

The old neighborhood had deed restrictions too. It keeps your property values protected. For most of us a home is a huge investment.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Are these crosses religious statements or yard art?

To the person who placed the cross in their yard..............Religious Statement or possibly an act of defiance
To the person who complained...............................Probably seen as Religious Statement which offends their sensibilities
To the Deed Compliance Staff..................................Probably Yard Art which is in violation of deed restrictions

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix

Are these crosses religious statements or yard art?

To the person who placed the cross in their yard..............Religious Statement or possibly an act of defiance
To the person who complained...............................Probably seen as Religious Statement which offends their sensibilities
To the Deed Compliance Staff..................................Probably Yard Art which is in violation of deed restrictions

Very true that people view these crosses and whether they are a problem from different angles. Whatever your feeling about these, the fact remains it is a violation of the deed restrictions everyone agreed to when purchasing your home. As others have said, if the restrictions are too onerous, don’t buy the house.
The deed restrictions are not a violation of your freedom of religion. That freedom is a guarantee that the government cannot establish a national religion over others and restrict your practicing your chosen religion. However, like other “rights” it can be waived by private establishments. An example frequently used is your right to free speech does not allow you to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater. Or your employer can certainly discipline you for what you say to a customer. In this case, you agreed that all lawn ornaments (which these crosses are) cannot be placed in certain positions in the front yard. It has nothing to do with religious tolerance.

For those who feel this is much ado about nothing, to allow these ornaments is a slippery slope that I feel The Villages will not risk. As others have said, allowing these, even by ignoring the violation, could mean that all restrictions on lawn ornaments become unenforceable. There is a provision in law that if an entity shows a pattern of ignoring a rule or such, it becomes moot.

If you want to change the restriction, it would appear it would have to be done CDD by CDD. And perhaps finally by the VCCDD and SLCDD. I would not hold out any hope that could be accomplished. As an example, I brought to the AAC a proposal that active duty service members visiting family in TV have their greens fee/cart fee waived by presenting their service ID and guest pass at the starter shack. TV has always shown support for the military, so I thought it would be a no-brainer. Wrong. It was turned down for the reason that there are many groups such as police, sheriff, fire fighters, etc., who are also deserving of our appreciation and who could justifiably ask why they were not included. The slippery slope.

Please place your cross under the eaves of your home or in the back yard. Then no one can tell you to remove it as it meets the deed restrictions. Problem goes away.

[autumnspring]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

Is there something wrong with someone giving a quick toot on the horn to get your attention if they want to wave at you?

But in reply to you.
As I've said many times, your rights end where they intrude on the right of others.

As you read through these debates. It is not like your horn is only heard by your friend. I've seen people simply stop in the middle of the street to gossip. No attention to anyone but themselves on the road.

We will as always have tones of differing opinions on every subject but, why don't you simply pull over?

[Gpsma]

Originally Posted by suesiegel

But in reply to you.
As I've said many times, your rights end where they intrude on the right of others.

As you read through these debates. It is not like your horn is only heard by your friend. I've seen people simply stop in the middle of the street to gossip. No attention to anyone but themselves on the road.

We will as always have tones of differing opinions on every subject but, why don't you simply pull over?

What are you talking about? You have never given a quick toot on your horn to get someone's attention to just give them a friendly wave? Your bothered by someone doing that but not by the noise of construction, trucks, garbage removal etc? Do you want total silence around you?

BTW...that question was addressed to Gracie.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

Very true that people view these crosses and whether they are a problem from different angles. Whatever your feeling about these, the fact remains it is a violation of the deed restrictions everyone agreed to when purchasing your home. As others have said, if the restrictions are too onerous, don’t buy the house.
The deed restrictions are not a violation of your freedom of religion. That freedom is a guarantee that the government cannot establish a national religion over others and restrict your practicing your chosen religion. However, like other “rights” it can be waived by private establishments. An example frequently used is your right to free speech does not allow you to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater. Or your employer can certainly discipline you for what you say to a customer. In this case, you agreed that all lawn ornaments (which these crosses are) cannot be placed in certain positions in the front yard. It has nothing to do with religious tolerance.

For those who feel this is much ado about nothing, to allow these ornaments is a slippery slope that I feel The Villages will not risk. As others have said, allowing these, even by ignoring the violation, could mean that all restrictions on lawn ornaments become unenforceable. There is a provision in law that if an entity shows a pattern of ignoring a rule or such, it becomes moot.

If you want to change the restriction, it would appear it would have to be done CDD by CDD. And perhaps finally by the VCCDD and SLCDD. I would not hold out any hope that could be accomplished. As an example, I brought to the AAC a proposal that active duty service members visiting family in TV have their greens fee/cart fee waived by presenting their service ID and guest pass at the starter shack. TV has always shown support for the military, so I thought it would be a no-brainer. Wrong. It was turned down for the reason that there are many groups such as police, sheriff, fire fighters, etc., who are also deserving of our appreciation and who could justifiably ask why they were not included. The slippery slope.

Please place your cross under the eaves of your home or in the back yard. Then no one can tell you to remove it as it meets the deed restrictions. Problem goes away.

I agree. Well said.

[ColdNoMore]

I can't help but wonder, if those who are so adamant that they be allowed to display a small religious cross in their yards, feel that others should have the same right to display small swastikas, confederate flags, witch symbols, Islamic symbols, etc., etc., etc...in their front yards?

I have this sneaky suspicion, that the answer by the majority would be a resounding...NO!

Therefore, I think the answer as to should everyone be required to follow the deed restrictions...becomes crystal clear.

[quietBern]

Are we allowed to put articles in the landscaping in the rear of our homes.
What if the back of your house faces the street?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by quietBern

Are we allowed to put articles in the landscaping in the rear of our homes.

What if the back of your house faces the street?

Yes, but ONLY the back of each item may be displayed.


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[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Yes, but ONLY the back of each item may be displayed.


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[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Wiotte

I wish I had said that ! [emoji1303]


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You can own it for $1.


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[Mrs. Robinson]

Not that there still wouldn't be issues, but if the entire Villages all had the same (as in identical) rules for everything, it would simplify many things.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

With the unbridled growth of TV most new buyers aren't of a generation comfortable living with houses made of Ticky Tacky That All Look The Same.

On the other hand, the new buyers probably want to protect their investments just like the older buyers.
And I'd think the buyers who don't want "Ticky Tacky" houses probably also don't want multi-colored garage doors and stuffed moose on the front lawn. Opening Pandora's box to relax deed restrictions may not be as popular as you think.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

On the other hand, the new buyers probably want to protect their investments just like the older buyers.
And I'd think the buyers who don't want "Ticky Tacky" houses probably also don't want multi-colored garage doors and stuffed moose on the front lawn. Opening Pandora's box to relax deed restrictions may not be as popular as you think.

Now that hurt my feelings. (I know, you probably don't care.) We just had our 5 year old home painted, and updated the color of the garage doors. We used a new color from the newly minted center of The Villages, around CR44. Staff of the ARC loved it.

The garage doors are painted Sherman Williams Red Copper!




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[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by dbussone

The garage doors are painted Sherman Williams Red Copper!

If it's approved by The Villages and the ARC, then I'm sure it's tasteful.