[charmed59]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Gee, I would have to ask my sister. I know they don't walk when they take their golf cart rides down south and I would imagine she is driving on the golf cart paths.

Come to think of it......the most recent walking path in the northern section is the path that begins at the Lake Miona Rec Center. I haven't been on that path yet but wondering if that path is just asphalt with no cement ribbons. Anyone know?

The Lake Miona Rec center path is a rubberized surface like they use for running tracks with cement borders. It is six feet wide including the cement borders. Those from the district thought when they asked for a six foot wide path it would be six feet wide not including the borders, and admittedly, that would have been wonderful. However the path does work well and is fairly popular.

There is another rubberized surface walking path north off 441, just on the other side of the 441 bridge. I don’t know if there are any south of 44, but if there are I bet they also have concrete borders.

[charmed59]

From google maps it looks like both the walking and MMPs south of the turnpike have concrete borders.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by charmed59

From google maps it looks like both the walking and MMPs south of the turnpike have concrete borders.

Exactly, they would be very difficult to drive at night without a border.

[rustyp]

I've observed the edges of the blacktop are already breaking off on the cart paths without the concrete curbs.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

??? Where is there a dog park just south of Hillsborough? If you mean the one near the Wiechens Preserve, that is Moyer Loop. The concrete ribbons are clearly visible along the MMP at Morse and Moyer Loop in google maps.I

In general, the ribbons seem to be present north of 44 and in the Fenney area but not in the area between 44 and the Turnpike.

If you keep following the path up Morse, you'll see the concrete is mostly on the west side of the path (due to the landscaping), and that it comes and goes on the east side...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

If you keep following the path up Morse, you'll see the concrete is mostly on the west side of the path (due to the landscaping), and that it comes and goes on the east side...

I don't remember that and can't see it in google maps but maybe I'll look for it sometime.

But even if that is the case, it is still true that the ribbon exists on the MMPs north of 44 but is absent on many south of 44 except in the Fenney area.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I don't remember that and can't see it in google maps but maybe I'll look for it sometime.

But even if that is the case, it is still true that the ribbon exists on the MMPs north of 44 but is absent on many south of 44 except in the Fenney area.

Possibly...

Although, the last time I was down (in October), the boss and I did the "Southern Loop", crossing over the Chitty Chatty bridge, driving down to St Catherine, stopping @ Sawgrass, crossing the Turnpike and coming back thru Brownwood and I didn't notice and problems with the MMPs... In fact, I was impressed with what they've done in Marsh Bend, De Soto, Fenney and Richmond... (I didn't venture very far south of Warm Springs on the far side of the Turnpike...)

[asianthree]

Lack Flowers and waterfalls haven’t been infused into this thread yet..wait for it

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Lack Flowers and waterfalls haven’t been infused into this thread yet..wait for it

I have a question regarding the mmp’s lack of curbing. Is zoysia grass used in the landscaping along those paths or is a different type of grass used?

We had unlined blacktop streets in our patio villa area north of 466A before we moved into a house. The zoysia grass was so invasive that it was permeating the blacktop all over the streets. Ribbon curbing was installed to cure the problem. If zoysia was not used south of 44, there shouldn’t be any issues with a lack of concrete borders along the mmps.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Oldragbagger

This whole thread is BS and just seems like pot stirring from someone who has no skin in the game in the south of 44 area. Why the obsession with something that doesn’t need to concern them is a great question though .

Agree as far as concrete ribbons on the path edges goes, but the lack of Championship golf is a legitimate concern for those living north of 44. They do have skin in that game, all the people in the new areas have to go somewhere, which is definitely not a good thing for for the supply/demand equation.

[HoosierPa]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Our MM Paths north of 44 have cement "ribbons" lining each side of the paths. This cement prevents the grass from invading the asphalt and gives the landscapers a sharp edge to keep the grass edged.

I personally have not driven on the cart paths south of 44 but my sister routinely takes a ride in her golf cart on Sundays south of 44. She has noticed that the paths down south do not have the cement "ribbon" along the sides of the asphalt. Without this ribbon of cement, the grass has invaded the asphalt and she told me those paths look awful.

Infrastructure on the cheap is what is happening down south. Too bad.

The CDD’s did that north of 44 after turned over to them

[westernrider75]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm not referring to "curbs". These are cement "ribbons" that line each side of the MM Paths. The cement is the same level as the asphalt but the cement does not allow the grass to infiltrate it, therefore, the asphalt remains grass free.

I have yet to see any grass infiltrating the asphalt!

[Goldwingnut]

The lack of ribbon burning and the degradation of the MMPs was brought up 2 or maybe 3 years ago when I was serving on the PWAC. I expressed my concerns over the long term stability and costs for maintaining them. I made the point that the lack of ribbon curbing was such a concern north of 44 for the roads in the PV and CYV communities that the individual CDD ended up funding the installations in these communities. I questioned why they were not included and could we mandate that they be installed going forward.

District staff said they would investigate and get back to us…
Two responses were received:
1. They examined the MMP and didn’t find any significant degradation except in one area around Bradford where heavy trucks had damaged the path and their was being repaired. - A complete load of BS, before I made my comments at the PWAC meeting I had already ridden down miles of the MMPs and seen dozens of locations where there was degradation and encroachment of the grass into the surface, I had also spent the evening of the Water Lilly bridge movement over the turnpike at the Water Lilly RC area and saw numerous areas were the walking paths had started to degrade after only a few months. This has been, is, and will continue to be an issue with the walking and MMPs south of 44. Eventually, these paths will either have to be resurfaced/rebuilt and/or ribbon curbing installed to stabilize them like they are north of 44. Either way it will come at considerable expense to the residents.
2. The ribbon curbing was eliminated as a cost savings measure. There are many more miles of walking and MMPs in the areas south of 44 than elsewhere in our community. This is due to the geography of the area and the large number of wetlands areas that were preserved resulting in longer paths and the addition of miles walking paths throughout the newer areas. It was a trade off, more paths or ribbon curbing. Had the ribbon curbing been installed it would have had a significant impact on the bonds that were issued for construction. (The bonds south of 44 are consistent with those north of 44 on a $/acre to developer, once you account for time and inflation over the many years, you cannot compare the raw numbers without looking at the rising cost/acre caused by inflation. But I’ve had this discussion several times here so no more rehash.). The walking and MMPs meet the “state standards”, I however argued that they didn’t meet the long established, but unwritten, “Villages Standards” for these paths, so the ribbon curbing isn’t mandated, and therefore not installed. A business decision, good short term but bad long term for the residents.

Because of the wetlands areas and grasses that abut the walking and MMPs the need for the stabilization provided by the ribbon curbing is needed more so in the areas south of 44 than they are needed in the existing areas north of 44.

There is a lot of validity to their side of the argument, however it comes down to pay-me-now-or-pay-me-later; well it looks like “now” is the long anticipated “later”.

As the MMP maintenance falls under the PWA as common infrastructure, all the residents south of 466 will eventually have to foot the bill for the PWF costs of repairs/upgrades. This was one of the many discussion points and reasons why PWAC2 was so favored by all the signatories of the PWA, well almost all. When the bill comes due for this, as it will eventually, all of us north of 44 must be sure to thank the board of CDD7 for their efforts in railroading the agreement with false and misguided intentions and not even taking the time to vote on the new agreement. Sorry for this side track, but it is a valid point that needed to be said.

The real question at hand needs to be will the CDD 12 & 13 boards and PWAC take the necessary actions now, to “fix” this issue now or will these paths be left to fester, rot, and decay until someone gets injured and they are forced to take decisive action to upgrade, at a much higher cost. Let your voices be heard now or let your wallet be hurt later.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Agree as far as concrete ribbons on the path edges goes, but the lack of Championship golf is a legitimate concern for those living north of 44. They do have skin in that game, all the people in the new areas have to go somewhere, which is definitely not a good thing for for the supply/demand equation.

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[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

Not sure where she is driving but I’m on the MMP’s south of 44 every day. I live north of the turnpike and pretty sure I’ve been on all MMP’s on my side and I drive to the south side for golf or to eat several times a week. I’ve never noticed any MMP’s that look “awful”. Some have concrete ribbons, some don’t. I’d be interested where your sister has seen paths that look awful.

Me too. I will ask her about it.