[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Laker14

"The driver is the hardest club in the bag to hit. That's why they let you put it on a peg"-Harvey Penick.

That’s funny because look at how many on par 3 executives hit a driver from the green tees. Doesn’t mean they hit it well, but it is the go to club for many in TV. Ya know bigger head easier to hit.

My, dad never used a driver, scratch golfer for many years. As a kid he played every morning before and after school.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Laker14

"The driver is the hardest club in the bag to hit. That's why they let you put it on a peg"-Harvey Penick.

That’s funny because look at how many on par 3 executives hit a driver from the green tees. Doesn’t mean they hit it well, but it is the go to club for many in TV. Ya know bigger head must be easier to hit.

My, dad never used a driver, scratch golfer for many years. As a kid he played every morning before and after school. He didn’t own a driver so never had one in his bag.

[coconutmama]

Originally Posted by kansasr

Probably because most of us don’t use the reservation system and just call to see if there are openings. When I play the pitch and putt they’re usually quite busy.

P & Ps are busy only as a last resort, when one can’t get a tee time for 2 or more on an executive course.

Looked last week, 3 days in advance on executive courses, for 2 people to play. Only spots available were before 8AM or after 4:20PM. Plenty of P & Ps open for 2 or more all day long.

Our main objection is being charged points for fake courses.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Exactly why they need more executives and less glorified mini golf. Try walking onto an executive this time of the year and finding an open spot.

I could say exactly the same thing as to why they need more championship courses and less glorified "pitch and putt" executives. But that is only because I don't bother to play executives. However, in reality, it is the executives that are hard to get a tee time on (i.e.: free), so more of them would probably satisfy the masses. (Read the entire post, I am agreeing with you )

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Laker14

A golf shot that is less than a full swing, but more than a small "chip" is referred to as a "pitch".

It's not a term that is used often in TV golf commentary. However, the "P" club, which in a full set is lofted one club more than a 9-iron is the "Pitching Wedge".

Something in the neighborhood of 40yards down to 10 yards might be referred to as a "pitch". The exact distances are not specific.

Actually, to be technical, the distance doesn't matter. A "chip" is defined as a short shot that rolls >50% of the distance: a "pitch" travels >50% in the air.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Anyone can hit a driver and there are multiple people who use them on par 3 exec.

But a short game can take skill, and let’s face it most greens here can be a challenge because who ever placed that pin last night has anger issues.

Plus the walk on a P&P is forced exercise and that may be one of the reasons why they are not as popular. Some find it a challenge to walk from their house to the curb for trash, much less walk small venue

Yes, and you'll find most of them in the paper under "holes in one" after skulling a drive 60 yards with the flagstick getting in the way

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Right, but since all the p & p’s are south of 44, shouldn’t the relative comparison be as a % of the holes south of 44? After all, this thread is about why are they building more of them. The relevancy of the question is all about where golf is being constructed, and it isn’t north of 44.

From another point of view: if you compare acreage, it looks like a P&P takes roughly 1/3 the area of An Exec

Maintenance cost is lower.

Throughput of golfers is faster.

P&P's keep golfers some would rather not see playing ahead of them off the other courses

Relative to the courses mentioned in the latest video, the P&P iappears to be something less than 5% of the land dedicated to golf.

There is a lot of land dedicated to golf South of the Turnpike.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Haven’t had an issue of finding short notice exec for last 5 years, no matter what month it is.

Find high season has multiple spots especially because colder mornings, keeps many no shows, and those who get to the course 20 minutes early go right to the line.

Usually reason one can’t find a time either system, or call same day is because one only chooses something close, their favorite, or certain levels. Willingness to drive to new areas is key to tee times, besides keeps your game sharper instead of plays the same course.

I play with a small group that will not travel more than 15 minutes and only want to play between certain hours. Shut outs are normal year round for them

Fascinating to learn of such "short notice" experience. We're still learning our way around. Enjoyed the P&P's even in the summer heat for the couple of months before our cart arrived. Still learning the "ins and outs" of the reservation system. Checking the "open times" for the next 3 days, we find only very early or "just before dark" slots available for two.

*However*, the past few decades have taught me that there can be disconnects between reservation/appointment systems and human nature. Seeing the gaming of systems with no regard for how it affects others is one of my lifelong pet peeves. "Overbooking" is one of the clumsy "fixes" that comes to mind. . .

We *have* noticed that "no shows" seem to be at least "not rare" at the executives. You have me wondering now if just showing up as a couple and waiting for an opening might be a viable option - at least at venues where chipping practice is an option - can *always* use more of that. Bears testing. I will say that some of the most friendly and helpful folks with whom we've dealt here have been the starters' shacks folks, with very few exceptions. Another thought about the likelihood of success with such a strategy is what one of the starters shared with us - that it is also not rare for a couple to reserve a tee time with two "guests", but then the guests miraculously never actually make it to the party. Might be just the type of folks I'd get a kick out of joining up with. :-)

Our limited experience with the reservation system has been kinda frustrating. My one attempt at including a long list of executive course "options" apparently was irrelevant, or maybe I just failed to understand the system. The course and time that we "won" was a ridiculously long ride away (via golf cart) and was *not* one that was on our rather extensive "list". Interesting adventure. A couple of similar such "long ride" adventures have convinced us that they're just not our "cup of tea".

We've recently returned to Mickeylee for a couple of outings and, as we're both still pretty mobile, have enjoyed ourselves. And, it's interesting to learn that there *is* a difference between hitting short to mid irons and hitting those wedges. Had gotten to where I was stobbing a lot of the wedges back in the summer, but now looks like those skills need some re-honing. :-) Maybe not a bad option for the "high season". . .

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, to be technical, the distance doesn't matter. A "chip" is defined as a short shot that rolls >50% of the distance: a "pitch" travels >50% in the air.

Interesting. Been playing most of my life and came from a family of golfers. I don't remember it being defined so specifically. Never knew that.
Golf teaches me something everyday (in addition to the the fact that I'm not very good at it).

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Interesting. Been playing most of my life and came from a family of golfers. I don't remember it being defined so specifically. Never knew that.
Golf teaches me something everyday (in addition to the the fact that I'm not very good at it).

I've been playing for 55 years, and I didn't know that either until a PGA pro told me that about 6 months ago.

But, from national golfer:

By definition, a chip shot is when the ball is going to run further than it carries
A pitch shot is defined as a shot close to the green where the ball will carry more than it runs out

[biker1]

It doesn't work that way. When making a tee time request, you have to specify "yes" or "no" for the "Any course?" entry. If you select "yes", then the request system will attempt to provide you a reservation on any of the executives within your time window. If you select "no", you will need to select, from the list presented on the next page, which courses you are willing to play. In the latter scenario, you will not be assigned to a course that you have not selected for consideration. There are instructions on-line on how to use the web-based, as well as the phone-based, reservation system.

Originally Posted by mntlblok

Our limited experience with the reservation system has been kinda frustrating. My one attempt at including a long list of executive course "options" apparently was irrelevant, or maybe I just failed to understand the system. The course and time that we "won" was a ridiculously long ride away (via golf cart) and was *not* one that was on our rather extensive "list". Interesting adventure. A couple of similar such "long ride" adventures have convinced us that they're just not our "cup of tea".

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by biker1

It doesn't work that way. When making a tee time request, you have to specify "yes" or "no" for the "Any course?" entry. If you select "yes", then the request system will attempt to provide you a reservation on any of the executives within your time window. If you select "no", you will need to select, from the list presented on the next page, which courses you are willing to play. In the latter scenario, you will not be assigned to a course that you have not selected for consideration. There are instructions on-line on how to use the web-based, as well as the phone-based, reservation system.

Yeah, I figured I probably just screwed up. Maybe I'll give it another look. The wifey has *finally* completely retired, so planning should become more predictable and it should make RTFM more carefully worth the trouble. :-)

As to that phone-based "system", gave up on that very quickly. Masochism is just not my style. :-)

[biker1]

Yes, I agree about the phone system. I know people who use it but I took one look at it and agreed to give them $8 a month for the web based system. The web based system is pretty good. There is some functionality that is missing but it is a unique piece of software and probably difficult, if not impossible, to improve. I have not noticed any changes in 10 years. After some use, you will become quite proficient with it.

Originally Posted by mntlblok

Yeah, I figured I probably just screwed up. Maybe I'll give it another look. The wifey has *finally* completely retired, so planning should become more predictable and it should make RTFM more carefully worth the trouble. :-)

As to that phone-based "system", gave up on that very quickly. Masochism is just not my style. :-)

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I've been playing for 55 years, and I didn't know that either until a PGA pro told me that about 6 months ago.

But, from national golfer:

By definition, a chip shot is when the ball is going to run further than it carries
A pitch shot is defined as a shot close to the green where the ball will carry more than it runs out

I found that rather "loose" definition also. By your rather "strict" definition, some of my drives qualify as chips.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Laker14

I found that rather "loose" definition also. By your rather "strict" definition, some of my drives qualify as chips.

As would so called "holes in one" on a 55 yard hole with a driver dead topped