[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Maybe not. Surveys seem to show that a high percentage of one political party are refusing to be vaccinated, enough to prevent achieving a high enough percentage of vaccinations to achieve herd immunity. I can’t figure out why politics should effect medical decisions, but there’s a lot of our national politics that I don’t understand these days.

My wife and I got the Pfizer vaccine and still use masks and practice social distancing. We feel personally safe and have high confidence that we won’t pass any virus on to others.

Agreed.

The fact that the vast majority of the current anti-Covid vaccine crowd had no problems with their kids getting childhood vaccinations and the associated booster shots, proves that it's not really about the vaccine itself.

[newgirl]

It was extremely difficult to get a appointment for everyone until last week or so.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

The COVID vaccine does NOT alter one's DNA. Geesh sheeple. It's amazing the cr&p that is out there and gets repeated to the point that people believe it.

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Yep - I just sent her an email reply - I attempted to be somehwhat 'kind'>>>

We did a bit of research and heard from a lot of folks before getting our shots, and had not a bit of hesitiation re the Moderna vaccine. The Bill Gates-thing seems to be far-fetched, perhaps his foundation gave $$$ to pharma for research. And the DNA-change matter has been thoroughly debunked. I think these things are pushed by conspiracy groups for whatever reason.

We're happy to get the vaccine, and feel that we are protected - even planning mid-year travel now. At our age we surely don't want to take chances and live in fear.
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[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We got both of our Moderna shots and all set. Very happy and comfortable with the decision and Sumter Co's service.

I sent an email to my 'ex', living in N.C. with her live-in. We're 'kinda-OK-friendly', and I mentioned about our Covid shots. She wrote back this morning>>

"XXXX and I are not on board with the experimental vaccines which make changes to your DNA. My sister XXXXX who worked in the pharmaceutical industry for a long time ( she just retired last year) advises against getting the vaccine. She said she will not go near it. So we are holding out and just bolstering our immune systems with vitamins and supplements. There are good therapeutics and overall 98.5% survival rate which is better than for flu. (Also, Bill Gates has the patent on the Covid virus, the vaccine, and the testing kit- that makes this all very fishy!)"

Oh well.... I don't get it, but looks as if there IS quite a large % of Americans who feel that way and will be holdouts... for whatever reason. IMO why take the GIVEN risk of contracting Covid - esp at our age.
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Good luck to her
But for everyone else, so they don't get misinformed, this is a PSA:

The vaccine is no longer "experimental", it is the standard of care
It DOES NOT alter your DNA
The survival rate of seasonal flu is 99.9%+
And "vitamins and supplements" are fine, but they won't protect you from COVID

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by Boffin

Given the general definition: immunity or resistance to a particular infection that occurs in a group of animals when a very high percentage of individuals have been vaccinated or previously exposed to the infection, yes, herd immunity, including variants, will likely occur sometime.

Herd immunity occurs when a combination of vaccines and natural immunity occurs. We may already be there.

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Good luck to her
But for everyone else, so they don't get misinformed, this is a PSA:

The vaccine is no longer "experimental", it is the standard of care
It DOES NOT alter your DNA
The survival rate of seasonal flu is 99.9%+
And "vitamins and supplements" are fine, but they won't protect you from COVID

To be fair, none of the vaccines have received full FDA approval. All have been given Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to date. This is a nuance of the FDA but there is no way we'd have the vaccines today if we required full FDA approval. That process simply takes much longer. This doesn't make the vaccine unsafe or ineffective. It just means all the steps for FDA approval have not been met.

Our government did what they were supposed to do, working with corporate America, regulatory agencies and scientists to bring a much needed vaccine to market as quickly as possible. If one cares, they can read exactly what EUA means but many very important medical advances were initially cleared this way. That is what the EUA process is for.

And yes, this is most definitely the standard of care and absolutely should be from all that I have read and continue to read.

[charmed59]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Herd immunity occurs when a combination of vaccines and natural immunity occurs. We may already be there.

If we were already there we would have no new cases most days.

I am hopeful given small number of cases the last two days in the 65 and over group. For 10 days that age group in Sumter County was averaging 9 new cases per day. Yesterday and today there were only 3 cases in those 65+.

[Boffin]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We got both of our Moderna shots and all set. Very happy and comfortable with the decision and Sumter Co's service.

I sent an email to my 'ex', living in N.C. with her live-in. We're 'kinda-OK-friendly', and I mentioned about our Covid shots. She wrote back this morning>>

"XXXX and I are not on board with the experimental vaccines which make changes to your DNA. My sister XXXXX who worked in the pharmaceutical industry for a long time ( she just retired last year) advises against getting the vaccine. She said she will not go near it. So we are holding out and just bolstering our immune systems with vitamins and supplements. There are good therapeutics and overall 98.5% survival rate which is better than for flu. (Also, Bill Gates has the patent on the Covid virus, the vaccine, and the testing kit- that makes this all very fishy!)"

Oh well.... I don't get it, but looks as if there IS quite a large % of Americans who feel that way and will be holdouts... for whatever reason. IMO why take the GIVEN risk of contracting Covid - esp at our age.
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People who think the RNA COVID vaccines alter DNA should see this as an opportunity.

[Astron]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

It's very healthy to re-breathe your own carbon dioxide.

Sarcasm noted. That is an urban myth. Health care worked have been wearing masks for extended periods for decades without issue. I have personally checked my O2 levels after wearing a mask for hours and found practically no difference.
Finding an excuse to not wear a mask, not social distance or not get a vaccine is just helping the virus by giving it a chance to mutate into something far worse. Odds are it won’t, but it could.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We got both of our Moderna shots and all set. Very happy and comfortable with the decision and Sumter Co's service.

I sent an email to my 'ex', living in N.C. with her live-in. We're 'kinda-OK-friendly', and I mentioned about our Covid shots. She wrote back this morning>>

"XXXX and I are not on board with the experimental vaccines which make changes to your DNA. My sister XXXXX who worked in the pharmaceutical industry for a long time ( she just retired last year) advises against getting the vaccine. She said she will not go near it. So we are holding out and just bolstering our immune systems with vitamins and supplements. There are good therapeutics and overall 98.5% survival rate which is better than for flu. (Also, Bill Gates has the patent on the Covid virus, the vaccine, and the testing kit- that makes this all very fishy!)"

Oh well.... I don't get it, but looks as if there IS quite a large % of Americans who feel that way and will be holdouts... for whatever reason. IMO why take the GIVEN risk of contracting Covid - esp at our age.
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Please let your ex know that mRNA vaccines do not interact with DNA and can not make changes to DNA. She is misinformed about DNA. This is an excerpt from the CDC website.......

mRNA from the vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell and does not affect or interact with a person’s DNA.

The excerpt is from this page.....

Understanding and Explaining mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

[Boffin]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Herd immunity occurs when a combination of vaccines and natural immunity occurs. We may already be there.

Correction: Herd immunity may occur when a combination of vaccines and natural immunity occurs. We may, or may not, already be there.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Boffin

Correction: Herd immunity may occur when a combination of vaccines and natural immunity occurs. We may, or may not, already be there.

1000 people dying every day ... hope that’s not the definition of herd immunity.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by charmed59

The published county numbers are not for the county giving out the vaccines, but the resident county where the person getting the vaccine lives. So those that went elsewhere show up in the Sumter numbers. And those seasonal folks that were vaccinated in Sumter county, but live out of state show up in the out of state category. We may have quite a few of that 112K pot.

The reason the Sumter County numbers kept rising despite GMR shutting down at the beginning of Feb was due to dedicated folks traveling about. And I, for one, appreciate that.

I appreciate that taxpayer dollars were wasted and did NOT resolve the problem for which those dollars were given / taken away.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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We got both of our Moderna shots and all set. Very happy and comfortable with the decision and Sumter Co's service.

I sent an email to my 'ex', living in N.C. with her live-in. We're 'kinda-OK-friendly', and I mentioned about our Covid shots. She wrote back this morning>>

"XXXX and I are not on board with the experimental vaccines which make changes to your DNA. My sister XXXXX who worked in the pharmaceutical industry for a long time ( she just retired last year) advises against getting the vaccine. She said she will not go near it. So we are holding out and just bolstering our immune systems with vitamins and supplements. There are good therapeutics and overall 98.5% survival rate which is better than for flu. (Also, Bill Gates has the patent on the Covid virus, the vaccine, and the testing kit- that makes this all very fishy!)"

Oh well.... I don't get it, but looks as if there IS quite a large % of Americans who feel that way and will be holdouts... for whatever reason. IMO why take the GIVEN risk of contracting Covid - esp at our age.
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"Holdouts" are loved by the Virus. And the "ex" may have parroted back propaganda that originated in a hacking farm in Moscow. The weapon of disinformation is easy to build and less costly than conventional weapons.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Mass hysteria at it's finest. So many needy people that insist that the gov. protect them, instead of being able/responsible for themselves. Use some common sense and protect yourself from the boogieman. If you do not get the vaccination, then don't expect me to protect you. You have already decided and have to reap the results one way or the other. It's your decision and should NOT be the gov's. Wear a mask or don't wear one. It will have absolutely no effect on me. I have my vaccination, but doubt if I would have become infected anyway. That is my decision and the gov did not make it for me. I have no intention of wearing a mask now, other than if I wish to shop at a place where a mask is requested. And then, I wear it below my nose. If that offends you, cry me a river. If you don't like it, stay a safe distance away, preferably at your home. My children and grandkids have had the virus and shrugged it off in a couple of days or so. They can visit me and I have no fear of infection whatsoever. Want to disagree, that is your prerogative.
The experts I am listening to right now, state that once vaccinated you cannot pass on the virus, period. According to them (whether right or wrong) once the virus enters your system, it is destroyed so you cannot pass it on. Like I have said before, I am not an expert. But, I refuse to listen to gov experts that are nothing more than political hacks. Regardless of credentials, I don't trust them. That is my opinion. So, go on your cruise and feel safe because someone mandates proof of vaccination. But, remember it was the cruise that was one of the first points of infection into the U.S. And remember, many cruises come back to port with a whole ship full of sick folks. There are other diseases out there besides Corona. Same goes with airlines and flying. If you are scared, stay at home. Quit expecting others to conform to your fears.

The experts do NOT say that once vaccinated you can not pass on the CV. That is a fabrication! 5% likely can pass it on. If someone hates the government THAT much, they should go try to find an island of anarchy to live at instead of among civilized adults. Stop paying your taxes. Then you will get placed in a suitable island of anarchy. Good luck! And anyone that goes to the charade of wearing their mask below their nose is like someone with a gun shooting down people in Publix. They are just shooting S L O W bullets of death (droplets)! CDC advice is NOT the enemy of real people. Just those preaching risk and death!