[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

That says nothing about entering ILLEGALLY... Once you have done that, you've committed a crime...

Okay, you are right.

President Trump changed the law in 2019, making it illegal to seek asylum anywhere except at a port of entry. This is where my confusion came from. Prior to that, US law conformed to iknte4rnational law adopted at the Geneva convention that all countries agreed to - including the US. And the US adopted those rules into law by Congress. That was reversed by, President Trump.

However, the law still is that if you are in the US and have been for less than a year, you can apply for asylum. Even if you got here illegally.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by coralway

How about you post how much $$ they pay in taxes every year? I will bet you a person who works in the fields all day pays more in taxes than most elected government officials, past and present.

They can live next door to me any day.

Get off your high horse.

The only taxes they pay is social security. They know that if they claim enough exemptions there will be no federal taxes taken from their pay check. Do you really believe they file taxes at the end of the year? A lot of them are paid under the table so no taxes are paid by them other than sales tax on the products they buy.
My wife worked as the payroll manager for a large national mall maintenance/janitorial company and this is how the illegals avoided paying federal taxes. The company ran social security number checks as required by law with the feds to determine if the workers were legal. When the check came back that it was a bogus number they would claim they made a mistake and provide another bogus number. The company would then terminate employment but new illegals would apply for work and be hired and the process would repeat. Many times the same people would reapply for the job but provide a different name and another bogus social security number.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Here is a brief summary of the economic impacts: (It is a very complex subject with lots of opportunities to come to false conclusions.)

A review of the academic literature by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found that "over the past few decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use."

While the overall fiscal impact on the US is beneficial, unauthorized immigrants have an adverse impact on the budgets of some state and local governments. While cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:

"State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs"

"The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a SMALL percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions"

"The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants",

and

"Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments."

The IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year. (Think about it - they are "illegal" and file income tax returns...)

Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.

Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay about $7 BILLION per year into Social Security.(Which they will never get back in the form of SS payments)

In addition, they spend billions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller reported in 2006 that the 1.4 million unauthorized immigrants in Texas added almost $18 BILLION to the gross state product, and contributed $1.58 billion in state revenue while costing the state about $1.16 billion in services used.

So, what's the next crime? I can provide reports from law enforcement around the country that the undocumented populations in their cities and countries have LOWER crime rates than citizens. The explanation seems to be they are trying to maintain a low profile so they don't get deported.

We can keep going round and round - we have been doing it since the 1930's - or we could try to find solutions that both sides can benefit from. But, then what would the Politicians use to keep us mad at each other.

I give as much credence to the CBO as I give to the national media and politicians. Nada, zip, nothing! Pure hogwash.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

No, but the Government enforces the law, and determines who can stay and who needs to leave. So, if the Government apprehends someone, not at a designated point of entry, gives them a court date, and releases them into the country, don't they become a "de facto" legal resident? The Government is allowing these people to enter the country and live here until they go to court. It seems to me that they are legal residents at least until the court date. Also, I believe, in some cases, they are not even given a specific court date, but just allowed to enter the country.

You've just described the problem... The government is not enforcing their own laws...

Still doesn't make it legal... De facto or otherwise...

[Number 10 GI]

Back in the mid and late 70's we were living in Texas. The schools were definitely affected by the rising number of illegal children entering the public school system. We received a letter from the school system saying it was having to increase the number of kids in a class because they were required by federal law to provide Spanish speaking teachers for the non English speaking children. A number of beneficial and popular programs for students were reduced or eliminated because the system didn't have the funding for them because of having to hire these teachers.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Well, you are both right.

The law specifically allows for anyone that reaches American soil to request asylum and they are supposed to be given a court date to determine if they can stay. So, the court date is to determine if they can stay legally. But, until the court date, they are technically here "legally" applying for asylum.

The court system is completely broken and can take 2 to 3 years (or longer) to hear the case. So, the court has to option to lock them up and pay incarceration fees or let them lose (hall pass) until the case can be seen.

IF politicians wanted to solve the "illegal immigrant" problem on the border the first and obvious step would be to fix the court system so the person/people seeking asylum would have their case heard the same day or within days.

I am pretty sure we will NEVER see a solution, it is way too juicy a topic for politicians to run on for or against. So, they will never solve it, simply keep it around to help stir up the base (both sides.)

And if you think this is new, try again, in the 1930s the exact same things were going on, and "they" tried rounding them up and deporting them with disastrous results.

So let them jump line from all the legal immigrants applying which takes years. Nobody should be able to walk across border and claim what ever and be citizen next week, it take time to investigate and evaluate. Immigration system is NOT broken just law is not followed when you have millions applying and sneaking in it takes time to weed out the criminals. What hurry anyway.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by John41

Non-citizens constitute only about 7 percent of the U.S. population. Yet the latest data from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics reveals that non-citizens accounted for nearly two-thirds (64 percent) of all federal arrests in 2018. Just two decades earlier, only 37 percent of all federal arrests were non-citizens.

Known non-citizens. Known being the key word. Nobody know how many unknowns there are.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bucco

There is no DISCUSSION at all.....simply calling names. If we do not begin to TALK with each other, with brain engaged, and political coups aside, there will be no solution. I had some hope a few years ago about some bi partisan legislation, but they was shelved to the loud “build the wall” chants.

To the OP.....to what end is a scrolling of “illegal” immigrants ?

We desperately need immigrants or our children conomy will suffer. Let’s. Stop chanting and begin to talk about it, with a goal of at least beginning legislation.

With 330 million plus we don’t need illegal immigration, there are enough legal immigrants applying. End of that rant.