[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

To all the posters saying the rec center employees should just do their job and throw out folks that do not have ids at the pool. Are you signing up for the job? If you ask someone to leave and they refuse, are you going to physically remove them? Block their entrance? Going to call the police? Go “eh” and go about your business? It is easy to make these bold claims when you are not the ones who have to enforce them.

Rare these days for rec center employee to scan our cards for club events

[Bogie Shooter]

Solution looking for a problem?

No, I will not pay.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

There’s a suggestion in another online paper to upgrade the ID system. Basically, install a lock system at pools, and probably rackets courts, the equipment rooms, etc
you can open the locks with your NEW ID or a code on a temp ID, usable for the length of your stay.
This would come with a hefty price tag.
Would you pay, let’s say $50, for a new ID; that leads to better monitoring of the amenities.

I don’t think this will eliminate all outsiders from using the amenities, but it would make it harder

We don’t worry about the freeloaders; we built our on little piece of paradise pool and outdoor kitchen.

[dhdallas]

The average cost for door card reader access control systems is $3,350 per door and as high as $4300 per door. There must be electrical service provided for each door as well as WIFI service. There is an additional annual fee based on the number of users which with TV’s number of residents would be at least $5000 per year. Even adding the card readers only to the pools would cost almost a half million dollars alone! Multiply the installation cost by the 100 pools in TV and the initial cost would be $335,000-$430,000 plus the $5000 due every year Just for the pools.
Now multiply that figure by how ever many other types of activities where you want to have card reader locks installed; now you're talking MILLIONS of dollars.

Anyone want an nice big increase in your amenity fees to cover the door lock system?

What is the big deal anyway? Who cares if a handful of nonresidents use the facilities (if there even are any abuses)? If you know someone is there who shouldn’t be, then go get an employee.
There are no hordes of outsiders using the pools. These complainers (and I think there aren't that many) need to just try and chill out and not act so high and mighty. People complaining about "outsiders" are what gives TV residents a bad reputation as a bunch of entitled uppity prigs.

[Garywt]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

It's not about the cost. The problem is that it won't work. I have lived in condos where the front door requires a key, but if someone wants to go in, they just hang around the front door and follow someone in. The answer is to hold the rec center employees accountable to do their job. Every rec center has a fulltime employee who is responsible for controlling access to the amenities, but enforcement is very lax. People show up without an ID, and the rec center employee just lets them in. It should be, no ID, no entry. Period.

I understand what you are saying but in many cases the worker knows the person as they might have entered 3 times a week for 6 months and you get to recognize people. No different when you go into Dunkins and they already know your order. In addition employees etc have access to a database that has all of our ID’s loaded in it so it can easily be looked up. I do agree that you need to have an ID, just might not be on you.

Lol cool, another thread that tells the world how easy it is to use our amenities. ToTV is owned by a marketing firm out of NY and has an office I believe south FL, maybe Naples I think as well. Point being, totv is NOT from within T V. It is a $$ making via ads social media platform.

What comes to mind when seeing posted matters such as empty snowbird houses and no security is:
"Stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

It's not about the cost. The problem is that it won't work. I have lived in condos where the front door requires a key, but if someone wants to go in, they just hang around the front door and follow someone in. The answer is to hold the rec center employees accountable to do their job. Every rec center has a fulltime employee who is responsible for controlling access to the amenities, but enforcement is very lax. People show up without an ID, and the rec center employee just lets them in. It should be, no ID, no entry. Period.

Amen. Problem is that no one wants to challenge the person without an id. Need some oversight on those responsible to check ids.
People break laws without any retribution so who cares about simple rules. Look at every level of our society nowadays. Yeah I’d pay the increase if it also included enforcing the existing rules.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Question: Could the access cards be disabled if they are misused or if the owner moves out of The Villages?

But, we are already paying employees to restrict access to the amenities to unauthorized people. Why not just enact a strict policy that, if you don't have an ID, you don't use the amenities. You can watch people entering a rec center for an event, and those without an ID are routinely allowed access by an employee whose job should be to tell them to leave. Why pay an employee to not do their job?

Amen. See my earlier reply. Remove employees that don’t do the job they are being paid to do. Remove the supervisors of those people if they don’t supervise. Let’s get back to basics here. Wish we could start doing that again at all levels of our society.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by Garywt

I understand what you are saying but in many cases the worker knows the person as they might have entered 3 times a week for 6 months and you get to recognize people. No different when you go into Dunkins and they already know your order. In addition employees etc have access to a database that has all of our ID’s loaded in it so it can easily be looked up. I do agree that you need to have an ID, just might not be on you.

Then I suggest you might need to go home and get it. If that happens even once I believe it wouldn't be forgotten again.

[kayak]

The "powers that be" (developer) has a policy for restroom usage. All restrooms are available to contractors, vendors, work crews, etc. Whether you like it or not that's the way it is. Locking the pool gates will never happen.

[Maker]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

The average cost for door card reader access control systems is $3,350 per door and as high as $4300 per door. There must be electrical service provided for each door as well as WIFI service. There is an additional annual fee based on the number of users which with TV’s number of residents would be at least $5000 per year. Even adding the card readers only to the pools would cost almost a half million dollars alone! Multiply the installation cost by the 100 pools in TV and the initial cost would be $335,000-$430,000 plus the $5000 due every year Just for the pools.
Now multiply that figure by how ever many other types of activities where you want to have card reader locks installed; now you're talking MILLIONS of dollars.

Anyone want an nice big increase in your amenity fees to cover the door lock system?

What is the big deal anyway? Who cares if a handful of nonresidents use the facilities (if there even are any abuses)? If you know someone is there who shouldn’t be, then go get an employee.
There are no hordes of outsiders using the pools. These complainers (and I think there aren't that many) need to just try and chill out and not act so high and mighty. People complaining about "outsiders" are what gives TV residents a bad reputation as a bunch of entitled uppity prigs.

I suppose they could buy a system that costs that much. The salesman will laugh all the way to the bank.
Or buy the parts yourself. $100 for a controller, $10 for the reader, $100 for the door release mechanism. Installation 4 hours at $20/hr. Misc hardware and wiring $100.
Total $400 one time cost for the access system. Maybe some cost more, but others are less. Plus the cost of new exit-only gates.

But we all know that's not how money is spent here. High friends&family bidder wins.

[RustyN]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

I have been turned away from a pickleball court because I forgot to take my ID, but have been checked only once (in 14 years) at a sports pool.

You do not get turned away I just had it happen to me at a Pickleball court. This was in the middle of a tournament day. They take your name they write it down along with your ID and address, and then about two weeks later you get a letter from John Rohan saying you’ve been a bad person. After a few times, they can take your privileges away from you. But it never happens. If anybody ever has this happen, don’t give the person checking IDs a hassle. They’re just doing their job their residence just like you and I.

[rsmurano]

I have seen a multiple TV employees enforce the rules. 1 incident, you had multiple kids driving large trucks around the Brownwood sq with their music really loud. The TV employees confronted them, then called for backup and the kids were gone.
How often do you expect the full time employee to check ids at each court, pool, game room, pool room, etc?
There are other options at a cost. I was in high tech for 4.5 decades and there is 1 method of security that I used 35 years ago and that is using the RSA key. It is still 1 of the best security devices today and doctors use it to prescribe certain medications.
All locks to the courts/pools/game rooms/etc would have to get changed and every resident would need a key fob. Every few seconds, the code changes and the resident would have to enter the code to get in. You can’t hack this because the code changes. You lose it, you deactivate the fob.
Even it would cost a couple hundred $$$ per resident, it would be worth it. This kind of money is nothing to help secure our amenities.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by Garywt

I understand what you are saying but in many cases the worker knows the person as

Everyone should be checked. Are you saying someone is such a repeat offender that the employees believe them to be a resident?

[phousel]

Originally Posted by kayak

The "powers that be" (developer) has a policy for restroom usage. All restrooms are available to contractors, vendors, work crews, etc. Whether you like it or not that's the way it is. Locking the pool gates will never happen.

Finally! I was going to post a similar comment.
I would like to add, that sometimes (on my daily walk), I need to use a restroom. I do not carry my ID while walking. Another thought: what if you witness a "lone" swimmer in distress and would not be able to assist!