[Birdie Dreamer]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

it might have occurred to smokers, but i don't think that they have much to say about it...being relegated to the indoors/outdoors seems to be a policy of the facility management...you'd be best to take it up with them.

The Florida ban on smoking in the workplace enacted in 2003 controls this. Restaurants are included as workplaces. Stand alone bars ( deriving less than 10% of revenue from food ) are among the few exclusions.

So indoor smoking areas in food establishments is not an option.

[njbchbum]

thanx, birdie dreamer - knew that. i think serenoa was trying to make the point that smokers should not be smoking outside as it drives non-smokers away from a place they, too, would enjoy dining. and if that was so, that is a policy that mgmt would have to make - disallowing outdoor smoking and driving smoking patrons away. maybe i wasn't clear on that.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Serenoa

..... BTW, did it ever occur to smokers that non-smokers might just like to enjoy eating lunch or dinner out on a patio....to enjoy dining in fresh, CLEAN air? Why should we be relegated to the indoors so smokers can pollute all of the patio air?

I'm not a smoker, but I do believe that smokers also have some rights. If the owner of a restaurant has designated a portion of the patio for smokers, then either pleasantly coexist with the smokers, or find yourself a nonsmoking establishment.

[ugotme]

In addition, City Fire (for example) has a smoking AND non-smoking area outside. The non-smoking side is definitely larger.

All I am saying is please don't come to our small section and complain. You have the entire indoors and most of the outdoors.

[DianeM]

WOW. What a lot of commentary over each other's rights. Whatever became of this being the Country that respects the rights of individuals. When did we become a nation of crybabies. If you smoke - that's your choice - enjoy. If you don't smoke - that's your choice - live and let live.

[USSGompers]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I smoke. I try to be considerate to those who don't -- I willingly remove myself from my friends and smoke out back, around the corner or in designated areas. I don't litter. I wish non-smokers would give me the same courtesy. You can walk around smokers. We don't mind, honest. We do know some don't like the smell of smoke. (Few of us believe you when you say you're allergic, so try being honest about it.) We do sympathize with those who are sensitive to smoke (there is a difference between an allergy and being sensitive. Not all of us believe that secondhand smoke affects those outdoors since the smoke rarely lingers (those that don't believe could be wrong but you'll never convince them, so don't bother trying).

If I'm in a smoking area, don't go by waving your hands, fake coughing or making rude comments. I'll more than likely find a way to blow the smoke in your face. Why should I be considerate to you if you go out of your way to be rude to me?

I agree. I am sure there is much more smoke pouring out of the back of city buses in the winter up north than I could ever blow around while smoking in the designated "Smoking Area".

So Please quit with the fake coughing and waving of hands. It's annoying.

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by USSGompers

I agree. I am sure there is much more smoke pouring out of the back of city buses in the winter up north than I could ever blow around while smoking in the designated "Smoking Area".

So Please quit with the fake coughing and waving of hands. It's annoying.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by USSGompers

I agree. I am sure there is much more smoke pouring out of the back of city buses in the winter up north than I could ever blow around while smoking in the designated "Smoking Area".

So Please quit with the fake coughing and waving of hands. It's annoying.

Or fumes coming out of a gas golf cart while driving through a tunnel.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Serenoa

I shouldn't DARE try & clear the air a little by waving my hands to minimize what I inhale.....as it might hurt your feelings.

Originally Posted by USSGompers

So Please quit with the fake coughing and waving of hands. It's annoying.

Perhaps we can now discuss what percentage of air is actually displaced by fake waving of hands.

[travelguy]

We enjoy dining oudoors, and if outdoor seating is available we usually request to be seated there. We ask to be seated as far away from any smokers that may be out there, and also ask that when they seat additional customers to please put them as far away from us as possible. It has almost always worked out, and we receive a smoke-free dining experience. Of course I would prefer that all smoking, indoors and out, would be prohibited in restaurants and bars, including the adjacent sidewalks around such establishments. And banning all smoking from the sidewalks immediately adjacent to the Town Squares here in The Villages would be great. Smokers can go across the street if they really have to smoke.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by travelguy

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Smokers can go across the street if they really have to smoke.

is there a particular reason why non-smokers cannot go across the street?

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by travelguy

We enjoy dining oudoors, and if outdoor seating is available we usually request to be seated there. We ask to be seated as far away from any smokers that may be out there, and also ask that when they seat additional customers to please put them as far away from us as possible. It has almost always worked out, and we receive a smoke-free dining experience. Of course I would prefer that all smoking, indoors and out, would be prohibited in restaurants and bars, including the adjacent sidewalks around such establishments. And banning all smoking from the sidewalks immediately adjacent to the Town Squares here in The Villages would be great. Smokers can go across the street if they really have to smoke.

[jblum315]

Perfect circle