[manaboutown]

Tobacco smoke is not just a trivial nuisance to be ignored, obnoxious solely to the senses. It is noxious and contains serious toxins. Its effects are likely to be devastating, especially in the United States which produces some of the deadliest cigarettes in the world, cancer-causing wise. Which Country Makes the World

[gpirate]

Originally Posted by DougB

I have no idea what you may have been smoking, but smoking is not allowed in the squares.

It is allowed at City Fire and their outside bar. Some were smoking cigars and it was so bad we had to leave. I love City Fire but wish they would control the smoking.

[ugotme]

Just curious, the last time I was at City Fire (@ Brownwood) one side of the patio was smoking while the other side was non-smoking.

Is it not still that way?

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Tobacco smoke is not just a trivial nuisance to be ignored, obnoxious solely to the senses. It is noxious and contains serious toxins. Its effects are likely to be devastating, especially in the United States which produces some of the deadliest cigarettes in the world, cancer-causing wise. Which Country Makes the World

environmental tobacco smoke - probably no worse than the toxic effects of perfume [just as hard to avoid at the squares, restaurants, movies,etc]:
'We also inhale these chemical fumes that go straight to our brains where they can do major harm, and many of these chemical fumes have a "narcotic" effect. ("Smelling Good But Feeling Bad, Synthetic Perfumes, Colognes and Scents Are Turning Up Noses," Green Living Your Health, and "The Health Risks of Perfume and Other Scented Products," emagazine.com - March 2002} Author's comment: These effects from scents can surface days after the exposure, and many people do not connect the strong perfume/cologne smell on the lady or gentleman next to them at the opera to their headache or upset stomach days later..
[]Chemical Sensitivities and Perfume

[JP]

Originally Posted by Doodle

I must say that sometimes I find it completely absurd when I find people complaining about such trivial things in the grand scheme of things. Take a look around for Pete's sake. Your in paradise!! Have we become such a self absorbed society of non tolerance?
My country tis' of thee....no body appreciates being free. Shall we travel back to war times, the depression, etc., so you can get a dose of what hard times are like. I'm quite sure no one bothered complaining about dog poop, cigarette smoke, or golf carts traversing over 20 mph.
Listen to yourself! At the TOWN SQUARE enjoying ENTERTAINMENT...do u get it? I have a sad feeling that the vast majority of complainers will never find true happiness. Ignore the smokers, etc., and enjoy every minute of your life.

RIGHT ON.

I'm so sick of our current wining society that is so obsessed with itself.

People need to get a grip.

Go to foreign countries and see how much more personal freedom they have than us. It's alarming.

[carlanddiane]

Originally Posted by Doodle

I must say that sometimes I find it completely absurd when I find people complaining about such trivial things in the grand scheme of things. Take a look around for Pete's sake. Your in paradise!! Have we become such a self absorbed society of non tolerance?
My country tis' of thee....no body appreciates being free. Shall we travel back to war times, the depression, etc., so you can get a dose of what hard times are like. I'm quite sure no one bothered complaining about dog poop, cigarette smoke, or golf carts traversing over 20 mph.
Listen to yourself! At the TOWN SQUARE enjoying ENTERTAINMENT...do u get it? I have a sad feeling that the vast majority of complainers will never find true happiness. Ignore the smokers, etc., and enjoy every minute of your life.

We are new residents and we are loving living in The Villages. Our motto is "Don't sweat the small stuff and (with the exception of health) it's ALL small stuff"

[CFrance]

I agree with every single one of you! How's that for waffling???

Second-hand smoke is not "small stuff." Don't go where smoking is permitted if you don't want to be in an environment that allows smoking. It's true that some states were much further advanced in banning smoking in public places, even outside decks at restaurants (CA, for example), so what you are used to may be different depending on where you lived before coming here.

Same with dogs in restos... OOPS!!! SORRY, OFF TOPIC!

[DougB]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I agree with every single one of you! How's that for waffling???

Second-hand smoke is not "small stuff." Don't go where smoking is permitted if you don't want to be in an environment that allows smoking. It's true that some states were much further advanced in banning smoking in public places, even outside decks at restaurants (CA, for example), so what you are used to may be different depending on where you lived before coming here.

Same with dogs in restos... OOPS!!! SORRY, OFF TOPIC!

Now you know dogs can't smoke in restaurants.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by DougB

Now you know dogs can't smoke in restaurants.

I think I may have knocked one of our goldens off from SHS out in the garage...

Before I quit.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by moeZ 18

Hi, My husband and I are non-smokers and I was just wondering what are the rules at the villages about smoking.

Originally Posted by Doodle

I must say that sometimes I find it completely absurd when I find people complaining about such trivial things in the grand scheme of things. ...... At the TOWN SQUARE enjoying ENTERTAINMENT...do u get it? I have a sad feeling that the vast majority of complainers will never find true happiness. Ignore the smokers, etc., and enjoy every minute of your life.

The OP seemed to be asking an innocent question about policies in TV prior to their lifestyle visit.

[kaydee]

Originally Posted by ugotme

With all due respect:

I am a smoker and i consider myself to be a VERY courteous one.

However, when I enter a restaurant I ask if there is a smoking area. I am usually told there is - outside on the patio.

Now if this section is for smokers than why go out there if you are a non-smoker? Yes, I realize everyone says they have a right to be there - so do I! If the vast majority of the establishment is for non-smoking than let it be.

We are not low-life, uneducated heathens we just happen to smoke!

and I can say the same for myself. I 100% respect the non-smoker, I abide by ALL of the smoking rules & I put my cigarette butts in the receptacles provided or I bring them home & dispose of them. When dining or enjoying the occasional beverage on the patios ( including the outside bar at City Fire) that permit smoking I probably will have a cigarette. I do smoke on my lanai...sadly I can't control which way the wind blows.

[ugotme]

Originally Posted by DianeM

As a former smoker, I will give you applause. If you are where you can smoke, then you should be able to feel free to do so. If smoke is offensive to some, then they should not go where smoke is permitted.

Thank you. That is all I am saying.

I have seen way too many times non-smokers enter a "smoking area" and start waving and covering up etc. Fine. But, don't come in here.

Okay, enough. Made my point.

[redwitch]

I smoke. I try to be considerate to those who don't -- I willingly remove myself from my friends and smoke out back, around the corner or in designated areas. I don't litter. I wish non-smokers would give me the same courtesy. You can walk around smokers. We don't mind, honest. We do know some don't like the smell of smoke. (Few of us believe you when you say you're allergic, so try being honest about it.) We do sympathize with those who are sensitive to smoke (there is a difference between an allergy and being sensitive. Not all of us believe that secondhand smoke affects those outdoors since the smoke rarely lingers (those that don't believe could be wrong but you'll never convince them, so don't bother trying).

If I'm in a smoking area, don't go by waving your hands, fake coughing or making rude comments. I'll more than likely find a way to blow the smoke in your face. Why should I be considerate to you if you go out of your way to be rude to me?

[Serenoa]

quote snipped by me.

Originally Posted by redwitch

If I'm in a smoking area, don't go by waving your hands, fake coughing or making rude comments. I'll more than likely find a way to blow the smoke in your face. Why should I be considerate to you if you go out of your way to be rude to me?

Oh, ok...so if I happen to walk through your smoking area to get where I'm wanting to go I'm supposed to inhale all of your oh so healthy & good for me second-hand smoke...and LIKE it. I shouldn't DARE try & clear the air a little by waving my hands to minimize what I inhale.....as it might hurt your feelings. Yeah sure...makes perfect sense to me.

And BTW, did it ever occur to smokers that non-smokers might just like to enjoy eating lunch or dinner out on a patio....to enjoy dining in fresh, CLEAN air? Why should we be relegated to the indoors so smokers can pollute all of the patio air?

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Serenoa

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And BTW, did it ever occur to smokers that non-smokers might just like to enjoy eating lunch or dinner out on a patio....to enjoy dining in fresh, CLEAN air? Why should we be relegated to the indoors so smokers can pollute all of the patio air?

it might have occurred to smokers, but i don't think that they have much to say about it...being relegated to the indoors/outdoors seems to be a policy of the facility management...you'd be best to take it up with them.

but if management's intent is to provide an accomodation for each the smoker and the non-smoker, it seems to me that it is only practical to keep the smokers on the outside of the bldg. i'd be willing to bet that if non-smokers were relegated to the outside - they would be distraught because they were denided the benefits of indoor heating in winter and indoor air conditioning in the summmer.

now if there was only a way to prevent the stinky perfume/cologne/after shave fragrances from wafting thru the air of public places - indoor or outdoor!