[dbussone]

Originally Posted by outlaw

You just described virtually every modern rifle and handgun. The only difference is the number rounds. I have a pistol that can hold 30 rounds. I know of shooters that can pull the trigger and fire rounds as fast or faster than a person can fire a fully automatic weapon/machine gun. Your criteria would essentially ban 95% of all firearms in the US.

And their goal is to ban 100%. Start with the ones that they view as creating mayhem (never mind the real reason behind an incident) and grab the others step by step. This has happened many times throughout history, and many still refuse to understand the consequences.

Good post, outlaw. I pray nothing ever happens here. But I'll also note several of my friends without firearms are currently re-evaluating their position.

[Taltarzac725]

How though realistically would you ban all guns in the US as well as gradually confiscate them? We would need a police state for that to happen. And probably the National Guard being activated in every state and the military operating on US soil as a political operative.

That could happen but would really need a group of very unique circumstances like something out of a horror movie.

[dbussone]

By the way, the NYTimes has an editorial today proposing that a "secret court" be created to determine whether an individual's right to own a gun can be removed. Here we go - another constitutional right - the right to due process - proposed to be taken away, in secret no less.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/op...f=opinion&_r=0

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

How though realistically would you ban all guns in the US as well as gradually confiscate them? We would need a police state for that to happen. And probably the National Guard being activated in every state and the military operating on US soil as a political operative.

That could happen but would really need a group of very unique circumstances like something out of a horror movie.

Well, that's what Hitler successfully did, and look what happened.


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[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Well, that's what Hitler successfully did, and look what happened.


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For a Hitler like politician to become President, well...

...the Constitution would have to be completely forgotten.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

For a Hitler like politician to become President, well...



...the Constitution would have to be completely forgotten.

Tal - I agree. Unfortunately it might not be as difficult to make that happen as we might think. I believe they are being whittled away bit by bit already. Remember the state of emergency you mentioned a little earlier?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Well, that's what Hitler successfully did, and look what happened.

Godwin's Law proved again.

Urban Dictionary: Godwin's Law

A term that originated on Usenet, Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler or the Nazis.

When such an event occurs, the person guilty of invoking Godwin's Law has effectively forfieted the argument.

[graciegirl]

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[dbussone]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Godwin's Law proved again.



Urban Dictionary: Godwin's Law

If it is a true argument, it is true.

Godwin/coldnomore not withstanding. If I were you I would really study the American Revolutionary War and what Britain tried to do to suppress our ability to defend ourselves. Then read the background behind the 2nd Amendment...the real background, not the revisionist history.

I'm also from a very "cold place up north" and have numerous relatives who fought in the ARW. I think your argument is specious.

And then read how the Nazi's took weapons away from Germans. You might see some similarities.

One of many sources:
Registration: The Nazi Paradigm - by Stephen P. Halbrook

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

If there were more armed citizens inside the club, there might have been less carnage

And if there had been more armed citizens inside the club, there might have been MORE carnage.
I guess we'll never know.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by dbussone

If it is a true argument, it is true.

Godwin/coldnomore not withstanding. If I were you I would really study the American Revolutionary War and what Britain tried to do to suppress our ability to defend ourselves. Then read the background behind the 2nd Amendment...the real background, not the revisionist history.

I'm also from a very "cold place up north" and have numerous relatives who fought in the ARW. I think your argument is specious.

And then read how the Nazi's took weapons away from Germans. You might see some similarities.

One of many sources:
Registration: The Nazi Paradigm - by Stephen P. Halbrook

I understand your feelings and your logic completely as do most people who live here in The Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

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[graciegirl]

There are few that are not anguished about this horrible murder of 49 people and the terrible physical and mental pain inflicted on 53 others. The horrible pain suffered now by the people who know them and loved them and treasured them. The hole left in this world now that we have been robbed of their talents and their dreams.

We want to fix this horrible wrong, but for most of us our lives have been following the rules, never thinking to harm anyone physically in any way, no matter how angry we have felt. The Villages is full of people who have not ever hurt anyone and most who have not broken any laws. The group of us who live here are mostly people who have tried to bring up our children with the same views and to the best of our efforts treat our neighbors as ourselves.

We are outraged by this horrible event and are forever changed by it and we are suffering grief. Anger is part of it. We must continue to be activists in the best way possible, by being good people as most of us are.

This country will continue to be caring and welcoming and encouraging to all who work, are responsible and caring of those who cannot care for themselves. We cannot legislate morality or command good. We must be examples good enough for others to want to emulate. And thus teach.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

And if there had been more armed citizens inside the club, there might have been MORE carnage.
I guess we'll never know.

We do know, based on 11 of the last 12 massacres, that gun free zones don't seem to work as advertised. Maybe we could try the "armed citizen" concept and see if the body count is less than what we have, so far, experienced.

[Taltarzac725]

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadlie...ting-rampages/

A little history of these massacres.

We should be doing anything possible to prevent future groups of survivors/victims from being created.