[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I doubt that. Take away the gun and you take away their courage.

Take away their gun and they'll just go buy another one. If only it were that easy. Have to change their minds - not the gun laws.

[Golf View]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Looks like a hate crime to me. They deserve the death penalty. Such a cowardly brutal act!

It's time to dust off OLD SPARKY & get rid of these kinds of people. Killing for fun? Where doe this kind of thinking come from?

[JP]

Looks like it could be a hate crime to me too.
Where is the outrage?
Where's Al Sharpton.
That poor kid looked like he could have been my son.
What a waste of a life by a bunch of losers.
I hope they get the death penalty.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I have the same solution for these guys and for gang-bangers:

You like to kill? Fine. You're bored? Fine. We can handle that.

You will be on the next ship out to the front fighting lines. Just a gun and zero training; you seem to know how to kill, anyway. Let's see how you handle it with someone just a little tougher than you and just as hell-bent on killing someone/something.

This is a most excellent suggestion ... and would quickly fix the problem

[PaPaLarry]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I did not have the privilege of being a stay-at-home mom, but I have two sons that grew up to be outstanding adults. I was an integral part of their lives (unlike dad) and my word was LAW....not even up for discussion. My youngest son's friend once remarked to him, "Aw, Shannon, your mom's not going to do anything." to which he replied, "You don't know my mom and I'm not gonna try her!" I was never a parent to say, "Oh, my child wouldn't do that." Kids will do what they think/know they can get by with. I listened to their side, as well. When they were wrong, they were wrong and when they were right, they were right. They learned early on that lying would make things a whole lot worse (besides, they were really bad at it). They also attended church, were involved in scouting, the Y, and an organization known as Kids, Inc. which involved them in supervised sports events.

Kids today have zero discipline, have no concept of the word "no", and are allowed to do "their own thing". Excuse me, but that is why the good Lord gives us parents....to teach and guide. Time-out is a total joke. What ever happened to plain ole hard work and the proverbial woodshed? If my boys were in trouble in school.....they were in more when they got home. They had boundaries and they had chores. Believe me, I could find plenty to keep them from being "bored". They both had jobs in high school, too.

Were my kids perfect? Not by a long shot, but they were never involved in anything remotely serious, either. Both are now retired from the Navy. working on second careers. They both told me that the ones who couldn't adjust to service life were the ones who never had to do anything at home and had very little, if any, discipline. One made the remark right after going off to basic, "Now, I understand why we were told only once to do or not do something."

So very well said!!!!!!! Family structure is so important.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I doubt that. Take away the gun and you take away their courage.

I agree. The gun is the symbol of power and strength, not these snot-nosed young kids!

Originally Posted by gomoho

Take away their gun and they'll just go buy another one. If only it were that easy. Have to change their minds - not the gun laws.

While I agree with the thought of changing their minds, I am stunned (after hearing time and again that "guns don't kill; people kill") to learn that it is that easy for children to "just go out and buy another one" [emphasis above mine, not part of original post]. Pardon my outraged sarcasm when I say by all means "don't change the gun laws" that allow them to do this....

I don't blame Australia at all for calling the U.S. on its appalling level of violence. There go tourism dollars that we cannot afford to lose!

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by dillywho

I have the same solution for these guys and for gang-bangers:

You like to kill? Fine. You're bored? Fine. We can handle that.

You will be on the next ship out to the front fighting lines. Just a gun and zero training; you seem to know how to kill, anyway. Let's see how you handle it with someone just a little tougher than you and just as hell-bent on killing someone/something.

Umm, no. They don't deserve to even think about wearing the same uniform I wore. I wouldn't trust them to be anywhere around our troops with a loaded weapon. Now, if you want to use them as a human shield, or to search for land mines or IEDs, unarmed, that's OK.

[gomoho]

[QUOTE=twinklesweep;731138]I agree. The gun is the symbol of power and strength, not these snot-nosed young kids!

While I agree with the thought of changing their minds, I am stunned (after hearing time and again that "guns don't kill; people kill") to learn that it is that easy for children to "just go out and buy another one" [emphasis above mine, not part of original post]. Pardon my outraged sarcasm when I say by all means "don't change the gun laws" that allow them to do this....

Do you really believe they obtained this gun in a legal manner??? Take their gun away and they'll go buy another in the black market. And these are not children we are talking about - they are wannabe gangsta thugs.

[Taltarzac725]

What Makes Serial Killers Tick? — Psychopaths? — Crime Library on truTV.com

[Bucco]

I suppose i will be considered out of line again, but this thread was not about gun control but thugs who killed for fun. Once again, depending on certain things they are somehow to be portrayed in a light that is a bit better as we ignore their vicious barbaric action and turn to gun control.

These punks were killers...the weapon they chose is not the subject and somehow I see this going in the direction, again, of "changing the subject" to fit an agenda.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

What Makes Serial Killers Tick? — Psychopaths? — Crime Library on truTV.com

All THREE of them? Not statistically likely.

I say if you want to see something awful just look at the tape of those kids beating the hell out of another kid on the school bus recently while the driver stood by.

It was the first time I had witnessed such a beating. The power and vengeance and hatred. The pummeling and the kicking and the sheer strength by those young men. They could have killed the victim, any one of them with their bare hands and feet in shoes. THAT WAS horrible to me and very eye opening. A human brain can't survive that kind of repeated pummeling.

It makes me think of another beating recently in the news.

Nothing is simple. Nothing.

I will think again before using the old phrase beat the hell out of....Nothing like that ever occurred in my world.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

All THREE of them? Not statistically likely.

I say if you want to see something awful just look at the tape of those kids beating the hell out of another kid on the school bus recently while the driver stood by.

It was the first time I had witnessed such a beating. The power and vengeance and hatred. The pummeling and the kicking and the sheer strength by those young men. They could have killed the victim, any one of them with their bare hands and feet in shoes. THAT WAS horrible to me and very eye opening. A human brain can't survive that kind of repeated pummeling.

It makes me think of another beating recently in the news.

Nothing is simple. Nothing.

I will think again before using the old phrase beat the hell out of....Nothing like that ever occurred in my world.

Psychopaths/sociopaths are diagnosed by their purposeless and irrational antisocial behavior, lack of conscience, and emotional vacuity. They are thrill seekers, literally fearless. Punishment rarely works, because they are impulsive by nature and fearless of the consequences. Incapable of having meaningful relationships, they view others as fodder for manipulation and exploitation. According to one psychological surveying tool (DSM IIIR) between 3-5% of men are sociopaths; less than 1% of female population are sociopaths.

I was linking the article in the hope people would actually read it. There could have been a leader in this group who is a sociopath and the others just went along. http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/s...k/psych_6.html

This was very telling in factors that lead to the possible development of a sociopath--

The following are environmental factors, psychiatrists say, which create a sociopath:
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Studies show that 60% of psychopathic individuals had lost a parent;

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Child is deprived of love or nurturing; parents are detached or absent;

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Inconsistent discipline: if father is stern and mother is soft, child learns to hate authority and manipulate mother;

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Hypocritical parents who privately belittle the child while publicly presenting the image of a "happy family".

[Bucco]

"Duncan, Oklahoma: Chris Lane was murdered as a part of a gang initiation, according to James Johnson, the father of a boy who was also allegedly targeted by the three youths accused of killing Mr Lane."


Read more: Chris Lane shooting a gang initiation, says father who called police

"The three Oklahoma teens charged with killing a jogger because they were bored were quickly nabbed because they allegedly threatened to murder a 17-year-old who wouldn’t join their offshoot of the Crips gang."


“Bored” teen killers were arrested after threatening to murder 17-year-old, cops say - NYPOST.com

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Umm, no. They don't deserve to even think about wearing the same uniform I wore. I wouldn't trust them to be anywhere around our troops with a loaded weapon. Now, if you want to use them as a human shield, or to search for land mines or IEDs, unarmed, that's OK.

Nope, no military uniforms. Just on the front to face the enemy...not near our troops. Leave them to their bad-guy tats, all over piercings, and baggy pants...their uniforms.

[Bucco]

More on this case...note the alluding to Zimmerman....I am sure Mr Sharpton will talk on this today...

"It comes as Edwards, who has been charged with first-degree murder, posted racist tweets saying he hated white people in the months before the shooting.

Edwards posted statements on his Twitter feed including a comment on April 29 where he tweeted "90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM".

Edwards also weighed when George Zimmerman was acquitted over the death of Trayvon Martin.

"Ayeee I knocced out 5 woods since Zimmerman court! lol sh*t ima keep sleepin sh*t! #ayeeee."

"Woods" is derogatory slang for white people. The feed also contains tweets glorifying violence, guns and gangs."

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