[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

One of the men was half African American, one was African American and one was white. MSNBC claims this was a violent crime. FOX claims it was a racially motivated crime.

I don't care if they were bright green. These kids are evil.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't care if they were bright green. These kids are evil.

Agree. But since they of both the white and black race, why say it is a racially motivated hate crime? FOX got it wrong on this event.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Agree. But since they of both the white and black race, why say it is a racially motivated hate crime? FOX got it wrong on this event.

Because two were tweeting racial remarks? I saw that on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justic...lled-oklahoma/

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Because two were tweeting racial remarks? I saw that on CNN.

Well I believe this was just a senseless crime. I also think indications of racial reasons from FOX is only helpful to those that wish to incite and not find solution to. These three boys were a product of this societies doing and attempts to divide us all into two groups is at a minimum, ignorant.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by golfingnut

well i believe this was just a senseless crime. I also think indications of racial reasons from fox is only helpful to those that wish to incite and not find solution to. These three boys were a product of this societies doing and attempts to divide us all into two groups is at a minimum, ignorant.

cnn

[gomoho]

This kid tweeted hateful race comments and you don't think this one is racially motivated. Are you of the belief only whites are racist???

I don't know if this kid was racially motivated or not, but I certainly wouldn't just dismiss it particularly with the evidence at hand. All three of them are definitely evil and I agree a product of or sick society.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by gomoho

This kid tweeted hateful race comments and you don't think this one is racially motivated. Are you of the belief only whites are racist???

I don't know if this kid was racially motivated or not, but I certainly wouldn't just dismiss it particularly with the evidence at hand. All three of them are definitely evil and I agree a product of or sick society.

I don't know either. I am trying to point out that as normal, FOX jumps out first with statements to make white people lock their doors in fear. One of the three was WHITE. If you condemn every person that has made a racist statement you will have very few of any race innocent. When I watched FOX report on this, they made it sound like a racist assassination. MSNBC reported it as a senseless violent crime and that is what I find correct.

[PaPaLarry]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I don't know either. I am trying to point out that as normal, FOX jumps out first with statements to make white people lock their doors in fear. One of the three was WHITE. If you condemn every person that has made a racist statement you will have very few of any race innocent. When I watched FOX report on this, they made it sound like a racist assassination. MSNBC reported it as a senseless violent crime and that is what I find correct.

Fox didn't get it wrong anymore then CNN, or NBC etc etc etc!!! We need to stop looking for excuses, when something as ugly as this happens. What Fox did, that no other station did (to my knowledge) is ask where are the leaders in the Black community, (Sharpton, Jackson,& even Obama) talking about "Family Unity", fatherless or motherless children, having umpteen children out of wedlock etc etc etc. Frankly, I thought "Fox" was more thorough, and got to the root of the problem, and not afraid to say it like it is, and did mention both races and their problems in teenagers growing up today. Some kids, believe they are entitled to everything today, and don't know what "earn it" means. I don't want to get into a contest, which news station is better, or which station is more to the point, because that's not the issue!! When kids are as evil as this, whether be black or white, then there is something really wrong in our society today. Nothing better then Family Unity and pride in mankind.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PaPaLarry

Fox didn't get it wrong anymore then CNN, or NBC etc etc etc!!! We need to stop looking for excuses, when something as ugly as this happens. What Fox did, that no other station did (to my knowledge) is ask where are the leaders in the Black community, (Sharpton, Jackson,& even Obama) talking about "Family Unity", fatherless or motherless children, having umpteen children out of wedlock etc etc etc. Frankly, I thought "Fox" was more thorough, and got to the root of the problem, and not afraid to say it like it is, and did mention both races and their problems in teenagers growing up today. Some kids, believe they are entitled to everything today, and don't know what "earn it" means. I don't want to get into a contest, which news station is better, or which station is more to the point, because that's not the issue!! When kids are as evil as this, whether be black or white, then there is something really wrong in our society today. Nothing better then Family Unity and pride in mankind.

Beautifully said. We are all walking on eggs fearing to hurt others and yet there is a big problem that doesn't have an easy answer and I think it deals in part with the economic support of folks whose families should be caring for themselves. No matter what color they are. Even if the parents are not married, if they produce a child together than each is responsible to not only pay for that child but be a part of it's life. That isn't happening as much as it used to and I think if we pulled out a little on paying the bills than people would take over their own responsibilities. Perhaps that is too simplistic. I don't know the answers. I don't even know the right questions.

We cannot continue to blame society for lack of individual responsibility. I think that things are much fairer now in the work place for all people. Certainly not perfect but improved enough that if a person really wanted to work they could find it. We can't blame things on situations that occurred more than a hundred years ago as awful as that was. Many generations of immigrants have come to this country and proved themselves by working hard despite unfair prejudice against them. I think it is much harder for some races and ethnicities than others to make a good wage, unfortunately, but not impossible to care for themselves if they limit their family size and sacrifice like many of us did. I hope I am not being unfair.

I could be wrong and frequently am.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by PaPaLarry

Fox didn't get it wrong anymore then CNN, or NBC etc etc etc!!! We need to stop looking for excuses, when something as ugly as this happens. What Fox did, that no other station did (to my knowledge) is ask where are the leaders in the Black community, (Sharpton, Jackson,& even Obama) talking about "Family Unity", fatherless or motherless children, having umpteen children out of wedlock etc etc etc. Frankly, I thought "Fox" was more thorough, and got to the root of the problem, and not afraid to say it like it is, and did mention both races and their problems in teenagers growing up today. Some kids, believe they are entitled to everything today, and don't know what "earn it" means. I don't want to get into a contest, which news station is better, or which station is more to the point, because that's not the issue!! When kids are as evil as this, whether be black or white, then there is something really wrong in our society today. Nothing better then Family Unity and pride in mankind.

I am saying the same thing you are, but it looks like we disagree when we don't. You are right if I read correctly, we agree this is stupidity and not racial. Jessie has came out condemning the three boys. Jessie Jackson and bill o,Riley had very similar responses and I find that refreshing.

[gomoho]

Golfingnut - if you watched O'Reilly last night you would have heard him definitively say he did not believe this was racially motivated - I'm not so sure - but, your blanket characterization of Fox News reporting is unfounded. And unless you are continuously watching don't know how you can make that assumption.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Golfingnut - if you watched O'Reilly last night you would have heard him definitively say he did not believe this was racially motivated - I'm not so sure - but, your blanket characterization of Fox News reporting is unfounded. And unless you are continuously watching don't know how you can make that assumption.

I beat you to it, look back one post.

I don't include Bill O in the typical FOX style reporting.

[Suzi]

Food for thought: Do you not think it is possible for a white boy to hate all white people? Just the same as a black boy brought up in a white home to hate all blacks? Kidnapped victims have this type of brainwashing happen all the time. Year after year, month after month, and day after day of hearing that white people are nothing but trouble, the source of your boredom etc. could cause any boy to think like the group. Ever hear of group mentality? We are a product of our environment. Hanging with the wrong group, no parenting, gangs your source of family.....what would we expect.

This thing is awful, just awful. Its so painful to me I can hardly discuss it. Gotta move on.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Suzi

Food for thought: Do you not think it is possible for a white boy to hate all white people? Just the same as a black boy brought up in a white home to hate all blacks? Kidnapped victims have this type of brainwashing happen all the time. Year after year, month after month, and day after day of hearing that white people are nothing but trouble, the source of your boredom etc. could cause any boy to think like the group. Ever hear of group mentality? We are a product of our environment. Hanging with the wrong group, no parenting, gangs your source of family.....what would we expect.

This thing is awful, just awful. Its so painful to me I can hardly discuss it. Gotta move on.

You nailed it. These horible things are not racist in that they do not meet true definition but rather just angry young people with the means and desire to put hurt on others for no specific reason. For some they are crying out for help, attention and exceptence. We force mothers to give birth to children they don't want and have no intention of raising properly. And in some cases do not have the means nor ability to raise children.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

You nailed it. These horible things are not racist in that they do not meet true definition but rather just angry young people with the means and desire to put hurt on others for no specific reason. For some they are crying out for help, attention and exceptence. We force mothers to give birth to children they don't want and have no intention of raising properly. And in some cases do not have the means nor ability to raise children.

"We force mothers to give birth to children they don't want and have no intention of raising properly. And in some cases do not have the means nor ability to raise children. "

I. personally, have trouble giving the punks or their families an out with this defense.