[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by ugotme

Not even funny !

Actually RIDICULOUS !

Why do some people say such stupid things??

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by Monkei

they were arrested and immediately charged for the crime, they will stand trial and hopefully get a fair trial. That is all people want in this country. Rich kids should not be excused, white should not get off easier ... it's a simple fair and easy way to shose equality.

It disturbs me that the media went into a feeding frenzy over the Trayvon Martin killing. The media, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson screamed loud and clear for weeks. Where is the meda and these two men now that there has been no less than three brutal and unwarranted killings of innocent people in just one week.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Why do some people say such stupid things??

Because they can because they are allowed. So many names from the old political up to the same old flaming tricks.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

It disturbs me that the media went into a feeding frenzy over the Trayvon Martin killing. The media, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson screamed loud and clear for weeks. Where is the meda and these two men now that there has been no less than three brutal and unwarranted killings of innocent people in just one week.

As I said before, this thread we are typing in would not even exist if our nation was not held captive on the Zimmerman case. We were all made to feel guilty, the POTUS discussed it twice, marches, a network who basically suspended everything for that case, and the ongoing coverage by all.

That is the only reason this thread exists

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Because they can because they are allowed. So many names from the old political up to the same old flaming tricks.

That may be true, but thankfully we have moderators and admin that will not tolerate the foolishness of the past. We are all better with being held to a higher standard. Tks admin for keeping this site safe and civil.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

It disturbs me that the media went into a feeding frenzy over the Trayvon Martin killing. The media, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson screamed loud and clear for weeks. Where is the meda and these two men now that there has been no less than three brutal and unwarranted killings of innocent people in just one week.

I will try, and likely fail, to help with understanding why the black community was and still is outraged by the Martin killing. Martin was followed because he was black, he was profiled by a man who is not apparently punk or a crazy and thus seems representative of the majority culture. This representative of the majority culture made assumptions about Martin based only on his age and color, not on his behavior or demeanor. As a result Martin was killed. Walking while black. And Revs. Jackson and Sharpton got involved because there was no arrest. Everyone should note that the issue was the lack of an arrest, of the opportunity for a jury trial and a full airing of the events within the limits of our system. While many pundits on the pro-Zimmerman side predicted riots, there were none. The anger was in large part about the lack of any action by the majority culture (white) against the killing of a teenager who did nothing other than have black skin, wear a hoodie, and get followed by a cop wannabe. That is how it looked to a black person. Who started and who was winning any fistfight was not the issue. There would have been no stalking and no fight if Travon had been white.

The case in Oklahoma is of the killing of a white young adult by people we all agree are delinquents and not representative of any culture and will not be championed by anyone. There was an immediate arrest in the case and these suspects will get their opportunity for a full and fair trial.

Lastly, I'm confused by your statement that there have been no less than 3 murders of innocent people in the last week. In the last week there have certainly been hundreds of murders in this country. The fact that they are categorized as murders means the victims were "innocent" in the event which resulted in their death. The media has not apparently gone into a frenzy about the great majority of these murders, only those where a white person was killed by people some of whom were non-whites. Why is that? Why are we only hearing about white victims of senseless killings? Who is whipping up the frenzy on these cases and why?

[Golfingnut]

Sorry Warren, but I must agree with blue ash on this one. Good post

[graciegirl]

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all

[blueash]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Murder in America - WSJ.com

I don't understand the point you are making with that link. It shows all murders between 2000-2010 except Florida (why?) and is sortable by many variables. What did you see that refutes or expands my understanding of this issue?

[Golfingnut]

I think we all dislike all murders, but, where we differ between one or another is the reason. We vary so vastly is what creates problems. I for one think that Zimmerman was a racist yet the three boys were just angry bad people. Regardless, two men are dead and should not be. Lets focus on stopping murder, regardless the reason. If you kill me, I won't care if you were racist or angry.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by blueash

I will try, and likely fail, to help with understanding why the black community was and still is outraged by the Martin killing. Martin was followed because he was black, he was profiled by a man who is not apparently punk or a crazy and thus seems representative of the majority culture. This representative of the majority culture made assumptions about Martin based only on his age and color, not on his behavior or demeanor. As a result Martin was killed. Walking while black. And Revs. Jackson and Sharpton got involved because there was no arrest. Everyone should note that the issue was the lack of an arrest, of the opportunity for a jury trial and a full airing of the events within the limits of our system. While many pundits on the pro-Zimmerman side predicted riots, there were none. The anger was in large part about the lack of any action by the majority culture (white) against the killing of a teenager who did nothing other than have black skin, wear a hoodie, and get followed by a cop wannabe. That is how it looked to a black person. Who started and who was winning any fistfight was not the issue. There would have been no stalking and no fight if Travon had been white.

The case in Oklahoma is of the killing of a white young adult by people we all agree are delinquents and not representative of any culture and will not be championed by anyone. There was an immediate arrest in the case and these suspects will get their opportunity for a full and fair trial.

Lastly, I'm confused by your statement that there have been no less than 3 murders of innocent people in the last week. In the last week there have certainly been hundreds of murders in this country. The fact that they are categorized as murders means the victims were "innocent" in the event which resulted in their death. The media has not apparently gone into a frenzy about the great majority of these murders, only those where a white person was killed by people some of whom were non-whites. Why is that? Why are we only hearing about white victims of senseless killings? Who is whipping up the frenzy on these cases and why?

MY opinion. You do not understand the Zimmerman case very well. The issue of arrest was a LEGAL ONE, not a social issue. The investigation was totally derailed while the police did exactly what they get payed for and well within the law (investigate the law as it pertained to this incident) It was all about the interpetation of the STAND YOUR GROUND law......so why was not the LAW allowed to handle this. The investigation was not complete in a time that satisfied the political folks using this horrendous crime. I am not a lawyer thus I cannot speak as intelligently on the law as you seem to feel you can. I know that once it became a MSNBC issue, the law was violated by politicians in Sanford allowing tapes to be heard by the family with no police presence...sort of unheard of. I know once the POTUS spoke up, the investigation fell apart.

So......lets call it what is was...a POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY...plain and simple.

The links below are just two crimes that seem a bit more racial than the Zimmerman trial, but no demonstrations...no outrage...and again, I am not an attorney so cannot speak to what is right and wrong as you feel you can but no matter how you say things are not happening, they are in fact happening.

And I am always impressed when someone can speak with such authority as you do ...."There would have been no stalking and no fight if Travon had been white.". That distinct unfettered knowledge would have been invaluable in court !!

JULY 27 2013

"Adams Morgan hate crime was motivated by Zimmerman verdict, police say
By Nicole Chavez and Stefanie Dazio,July 27, 2013

A Bethesda man was beaten and robbed early Saturday morning in Adams Morgan by three men who yelled, “This is for Trayvon Martin,” before attacking him, police said.

The incident is being investigated as a hate crime and robbery, according to D.C. police spokesman Araz Alali.

Three black men approached an adult white male from behind while he was walking in the 1700 block of Euclid Street NW at 1:26 a.m. Saturday, police said."

Adams Morgan hate crime was motivated by Zimmerman verdict, police say - Washington Post


AUGUST 15

"Ray Widstrand, 26, who was jumped and beaten in a huge African-American gang of 40-to-50 people two weeks ago in St. Paul, Minnesota, has been taken out of a medically-induced coma after experiencing potentially-fatal brain swelling, according to a KSTP News report on Tuesay. At this time, Widstrand remains in stable yet critical condition. "

Ray Winstrand beat by blacks: Authorities won't call it a racial hate crime - National Conservative | Examiner.com

I pray all this crap ends but until folks stop feeling compelled to say what they hear instead of actually finding out what happened, we are stuck in this continual political turmoil and that is what it is. Had the family not contacted CRUMP, NOT for legal advice, but for PR advice, who knows...maybe even an arrest and conviction. The investigation and crime became so contaminated never could justice be served. Justice was never given a chance.

Editing to add this and not sure if the end is where but...

We are a country of LAWS, not men !!!!

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by blueash

I will try, and likely fail, to help with understanding why the black community was and still is outraged by the Martin killing. Martin was followed because he was black, he was profiled by a man who is not apparently punk or a crazy and thus seems representative of the majority culture. This representative of the majority culture made assumptions about Martin based only on his age and color, not on his behavior or demeanor. As a result Martin was killed. Walking while black. And Revs. Jackson and Sharpton got involved because there was no arrest. Everyone should note that the issue was the lack of an arrest, of the opportunity for a jury trial and a full airing of the events within the limits of our system. While many pundits on the pro-Zimmerman side predicted riots, there were none. The anger was in large part about the lack of any action by the majority culture (white) against the killing of a teenager who did nothing other than have black skin, wear a hoodie, and get followed by a cop wannabe. That is how it looked to a black person. Who started and who was winning any fistfight was not the issue. There would have been no stalking and no fight if Travon had been white.

The case in Oklahoma is of the killing of a white young adult by people we all agree are delinquents and not representative of any culture and will not be championed by anyone. There was an immediate arrest in the case and these suspects will get their opportunity for a full and fair trial.

Lastly, I'm confused by your statement that there have been no less than 3 murders of innocent people in the last week. In the last week there have certainly been hundreds of murders in this country. The fact that they are categorized as murders means the victims were "innocent" in the event which resulted in their death. The media has not apparently gone into a frenzy about the great majority of these murders, only those where a white person was killed by people some of whom were non-whites. Why is that? Why are we only hearing about white victims of senseless killings? Who is whipping up the frenzy on these cases and why?

I think you're having trouble seeing the forest for the trees... This is why we profile blacks. Of those "hundreds of murders this week" how many were committed by blacks? THAT is your answer... THAT is why "we" profile black youths. A white person kills and it makes the news. A black kills and it's one of hundreds this week.

A white person would have stopped and said..."Hi, my name is XXXX and I'm here visiting my fathers girlfriend" when confronted by neighborhood watch. They wouldn't have been skulking and evading which is what the evidence showed Martin did. It was his ACTIONS that caused the escalation. Do you run and hide when neighborhood watch drives by? Why did he? I predisposes guilt.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by donb9006

I think you're having trouble seeing the forest for the trees... This is why we profile blacks. Of those "hundreds of murders this week" how many were committed by blacks? THAT is your answer... THAT is why "we" profile black youths. A white person kills and it makes the news. A black kills and it's one of hundreds this week.

A white person would have stopped and said..."Hi, my name is XXXX and I'm here visiting my fathers girlfriend" when confronted by neighborhood watch. They wouldn't have been skulking and evading which is what the evidence showed Martin did. It was his ACTIONS that caused the escalation. Do you run and hide when neighborhood watch drives by? Why did he? I predisposes guilt.

I see it much differently than this. If Martin was white, Zimmerman would not have paid any attention to Him. I would be wary of anyone in a hoody, but that should not have convicted and killed him. Why didn't Zimmerman say, Excuse me, I am community watch for this community, could I speak with you a minute please. You must understand, Martin had more right to be there than Zimmerman had right to follow him. I see Zimmerman as the creepy individual in that situation.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by donb9006

I think you're having trouble seeing the forest for the trees... This is why we profile blacks. Of those "hundreds of murders this week" how many were committed by blacks? THAT is your answer... THAT is why "we" profile black youths. A white person kills and it makes the news. A black kills and it's one of hundreds this week.

A white person would have stopped and said..."Hi, my name is XXXX and I'm here visiting my fathers girlfriend" when confronted by neighborhood watch. They wouldn't have been skulking and evading which is what the evidence showed Martin did. It was his ACTIONS that caused the escalation. Do you run and hide when neighborhood watch drives by? Why did he? I predisposes guilt.

Lets just throw the Constitution and Bill of Rights out the window.

[PaPaLarry]

Originally Posted by Bucco

MY opinion. You do not understand the Zimmerman case very well. The issue of arrest was a LEGAL ONE, not a social issue. The investigation was totally derailed while the police did exactly what they get payed for and well within the law (investigate the law as it pertained to this incident) It was all about the interpetation of the STAND YOUR GROUND law......so why was not the LAW allowed to handle this. The investigation was not complete in a time that satisfied the political folks using this horrendous crime. I am not a lawyer thus I cannot speak as intelligently on the law as you seem to feel you can. I know that once it became a MSNBC issue, the law was violated by politicians in Sanford allowing tapes to be heard by the family with no police presence...sort of unheard of. I know once the POTUS spoke up, the investigation fell apart.

So......lets call it what is was...a POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY...plain and simple.

The links below are just two crimes that seem a bit more racial than the Zimmerman trial, but no demonstrations...no outrage...and again, I am not an attorney so cannot speak to what is right and wrong as you feel you can but no matter how you say things are not happening, they are in fact happening.

And I am always impressed when someone can speak with such authority as you do ...."There would have been no stalking and no fight if Travon had been white.". That distinct unfettered knowledge would have been invaluable in court !!

JULY 27 2013

"Adams Morgan hate crime was motivated by Zimmerman verdict, police say
By Nicole Chavez and Stefanie Dazio,July 27, 2013

A Bethesda man was beaten and robbed early Saturday morning in Adams Morgan by three men who yelled, “This is for Trayvon Martin,” before attacking him, police said.

The incident is being investigated as a hate crime and robbery, according to D.C. police spokesman Araz Alali.

Three black men approached an adult white male from behind while he was walking in the 1700 block of Euclid Street NW at 1:26 a.m. Saturday, police said."

Adams Morgan hate crime was motivated by Zimmerman verdict, police say - Washington Post


AUGUST 15

"Ray Widstrand, 26, who was jumped and beaten in a huge African-American gang of 40-to-50 people two weeks ago in St. Paul, Minnesota, has been taken out of a medically-induced coma after experiencing potentially-fatal brain swelling, according to a KSTP News report on Tuesay. At this time, Widstrand remains in stable yet critical condition. "

Ray Winstrand beat by blacks: Authorities won't call it a racial hate crime - National Conservative | Examiner.com

I pray all this crap ends but until folks stop feeling compelled to say what they hear instead of actually finding out what happened, we are stuck in this continual political turmoil and that is what it is. Had the family not contacted CRUMP, NOT for legal advice, but for PR advice, who knows...maybe even an arrest and conviction. The investigation and crime became so contaminated never could justice be served. Justice was never given a chance.

Editing to add this and not sure if the end is where but...

We are a country of LAWS, not men !!!!

Intelligently said!!! Country of laws, not men!!!