[Abby10]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

I am one of those that got my insurance cancelled not once, but twice. Now it is costing 57% more than before I found coverage that will meet the ACA standards. The policy is NOT superior to my old coverage. In fact I will pay up to 15 times more for 7 of my drugs.

The concept behind the Affordable Care Act was the only good part.

The execution was abominable.

The economics were infeasable.

The fact that it was passed by a congress that did not read it is irrational and reeks of malfeasance.

Theoretically, the best part of the ACA was the pre-existing condition portion. However, the only insureds that can take advantage of that are the poor who will not have to pay anyway or the wealthy that can afford the thousands per year in premiums.

More people will end up UNINSURED after the smoke clears than were uninsured before ACA. Many middle income people may be able to keep some coverage, but they will see a reduced standard of life in order to be able to pay the premiums.

At the end of the day, if you had been working hard to make a good living, you will suffer under the ACA.

Like I said, the Concept of Affordable Health Care is a Wonderful thing! However, taking that Affordable Health Care from one family and giving it to another is a SERIOUSLY FLAWED process.

Great post! Clear, concise and to the point. I too agree totally!

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by janmcn

BTW: The White House just announced enrollments hit 7.041 million before midnight last night, and that doesn't count people enrolled yesterday on state exchanges.

Does anyone actually believe what the White House says? That's the same White House that told us we could keep our doctor and insurance. None of those enrolled counts until they pay a premium and those number who have actually paid are kept top secret. Only one reason for that.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Again, the poll I was speaking of was the 2012 election where the choice between repealing the ACA and keeping it could not have been clearer, and the voters spoke loud and clear that they did not want it repealed.

I was well aware that you used an old obsolete poll, but it would be helpful to the reader if you provided a link to that poll so they can see for themselves what you're trying to say. Anyway, I do thank you for reinforcing what I was saying!

[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

I am one of those that got my insurance cancelled not once, but twice. Now it is costing 57% more than before I found coverage that will meet the ACA standards. The policy is NOT superior to my old coverage. In fact I will pay up to 15 times more for 7 of my drugs.

The concept behind the Affordable Care Act was the only good part.

The execution was abominable.

The economics were infeasable.

The fact that it was passed by a congress that did not read it is irrational and reeks of malfeasance.

Theoretically, the best part of the ACA was the pre-existing condition portion. However, the only insureds that can take advantage of that are the poor who will not have to pay anyway or the wealthy that can afford the thousands per year in premiums.

More people will end up UNINSURED after the smoke clears than were uninsured before ACA. Many middle income people may be able to keep some coverage, but they will see a reduced standard of life in order to be able to pay the premiums.

At the end of the day, if you had been working hard to make a good living, you will suffer under the ACA.

Like I said, the Concept of Affordable Health Care is a Wonderful thing! However, taking that Affordable Health Care from one family and giving it to another is a SERIOUSLY FLAWED process.

Absolutely in total agreement.

[billethkid]

but like the majority of Americans, I want to know exactly what the 7 million is.
How many that never had insurance.
How many that had their insurance cancelled and are now applying......these do not count you know!
How many are what age?
How many of the applicants are paid?

I don't think some acknowledge that even if an application is accepted and the applicant says OK BUT does not pay, it is not a valid claim.

If you put an item on Amazon in or any other website and do not check out and pay for it.....it is not a sale......even though it remains in the shopping basket.

Let's keep it real simple.........If you need 7 million people with red hats and you get 7 million people but only one million have red hats....the 7 million does not count.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

Does anyone actually believe what the White House says? That's the same White House that told us we could keep our doctor and insurance. None of those enrolled counts until they pay a premium and those number who have actually paid are kept top secret. Only one reason for that.

Yes sir, I do.

[golf2140]

What was the true costs. The web site, the folks who had their hours cut at work. With all the money the govn spent they could have paid the insurance for 7.1 million and had a lot of chnage left over.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

but like the majority of Americans, I want to know exactly what the 7 million is.
How many that never had insurance.
How many that had their insurance cancelled and are now applying......these do not count you know!
How many are what age?
How many of the applicants are paid?

I don't think some acknowledge that even if an application is accepted and the applicant says OK BUT does not pay, it is not a valid claim.

If you put an item on Amazon in or any other website and do not check out and pay for it.....it is not a sale......even though it remains in the shopping basket.

Let's keep it real simple.........If you need 7 million people with red hats and you get 7 million people but only one million have red hats....the 7 million does not count.

All your concerns will be addressed in the next few months. You will love this program when it is fully implemented.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by billethkid

but like the majority of Americans, I want to know exactly what the 7 million is.
How many that never had insurance.
How many that had their insurance cancelled and are now applying......these do not count you know!
How many are what age?
How many of the applicants are paid?

I don't think some acknowledge that even if an application is accepted and the applicant says OK BUT does not pay, it is not a valid claim.

If you put an item on Amazon in or any other website and do not check out and pay for it.....it is not a sale......even though it remains in the shopping basket.

Let's keep it real simple.........If you need 7 million people with red hats and you get 7 million people but only one million have red hats....the 7 million does not count.

Some developing information.....from a RAND study

....."just 23 per cent of new enrollees had no insurance before signing up"

....."just 53 per cent have paid their first month's premiums."

"If those numbers hold, the actual net gain of paid policies among Americans who lacked medical insurance in the pre-Obamacare days would be just 858,298."

White House says 7 MILLION Obamacare enrollments, but study shows 858,000 | Mail Online

You pretty much have to search to find TRUTH here.

This has been political from the get go and continues.....Harry Reid dismissed as "taking a narrow view of the law" when confronted with the fact that the majority of the cancer centers in he USA are NOT covered by the new law. Amazing what is done in the name of your party, whichever one !

[Golfingnut]

There would be a better view of this program if the TOTV members were the beneficiaries of this program as opposed to older retirees that already have medical coverage. We are set, they are in need of help. I see it as our responsibility to help our younger population.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

I was well aware that you used an old obsolete poll, but it would be helpful to the reader if you provided a link to that poll so they can see for themselves what you're trying to say. Anyway, I do thank you for reinforcing what I was saying!

For the third time, the poll I was speaking of was the election results of the November 2012 election when the president won in a landslide victory. This is the only poll that counts.

[graciegirl]

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[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

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I am sorry they did not act on your order to close this thread, but it appears there is a lot of interest and a lot of honest debate, so maybe they know best how to manage their web site.

[Golfingnut]

I thank everyone for their opinions and civil manner in this thread.

Love
The golfingnut.

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Thank you America for the Affordable Care Act.

I can visualize the mother being able to take her child to her doctor on a scheduled appointment. This WILL speed up the time spent in emergency rooms for true emergencies.

This humanitarian act took less than 6 months. We humans are slowly becoming more Humane.

Golfingnut, we all should love others as much! My fear that some of the Boomers slipped right into the "Me" Generation and some of the pre-Boomers forgot just how hard life can be. The "Love" Generation had the right idea.

Oh, by the way, I'm one of the first Boomers. One of my classmates died 17 years ago at the age of 50. Her death came about because she didn't have Insurance and she couldn't afford to go to a hospital. She was a high school cheerleader who grew up in an upper middle class family. She was intelligent, pretty, and was loved and a friend to all. We all could have found ourselves in a similar situation. Would you feel the same way about ACA if your child needed the help? No one is saying it's perfect, but I haven't heard of any other plans brought to the table that are better. It needs to be tweaked, but instead they'll try, for the 53rd time, to repeal it. It's done - let's make it better.

Xavier