[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Exactly what are you trying to say , I can’t figure it out , but I think it was an unclear attempt at trolling in response to post 210

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

Exactly what are you trying to say , I can’t figure it out , but I think it was an unclear attempt at trolling

only read last page but are there more like this?!

[NoMoSno]

Maybe it's time the industry changes its protocol.
The person doing the shooting should also check the firearm before pulling the trigger.
If someone hands me a gun and tells me it's unloaded, I don't take their word for it. I check it also.
Basic firearm safety.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

He has no blame in this as he does not supply the equipment used on the film set. Time will tell if some ******* tried to sabotage the film being made by putting live rounds in the guns used while filming. They shut down other movies being made in the same vicinity.

I like Alec Baldwin, however, as producer of this film, he does have some responsibility. Also, as the actor handling the gun, he was supposed to check. I have friends in the industry who were about to strike due to safety issues as well as pay issues. The streaming outlets do not want to pay. Non union crew do no necessarily follow the rules as the union crews do. A very sad situation. I feel for all involved. Negligence led to an unnecessary death.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Hey Stephen Baldwin was "brilliant" in Bio-Dome!

Was he in that movie? I thought it was the weasel guy (also a result of nepotism. His mom owns the comedy club(s) in CA.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Was he in that movie? I thought it was the weasel guy (also a result of nepotism. His mom owns the comedy club(s) in CA.

Nepotism is with any job. That armorer didn’t get the job because her dad put in a good word for her, or told someone to hire her. The producers who hired her are also inexperienced and assumed that she was probably very good at her job since her dad was a very experienced one. It’s the same with any job. A lawyer’s child becomes a lawyer and takes over the practice. Doctors are the same. It’s any and every business. There are also children of famous people who are dying to work but can’t get hired because of who they are. Nicolas Cage changed his last name from Scorsese to Cage because he didn’t want people to know Martin Scorsese is his uncle.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

This was only her 2nd job and as you see, she was fired from her first one. To be a prop master or armorer you need lots of experience. There’s no way a 24 year old could possibly have that amount of experience. But then there’s also the 1st assistant director. That is the person in charge of all safety on set. The protocol for a cold gun on set is for the armorer to bring the gun on set, in front of the crew, show the 1st AD and crew/actors that the gun is empty, they do this every single time a real gun is brought onto the set. I’ve worked on sets for 30+ years and have never, not once NOT seen this happen. It’s tedious and we’ve all seen it a hundred times, but it still has to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME a gun is brought on set. The AD, not only didn’t do his job, he picked up the gun and handed to the actor yelling cold gun. There are so many balls dropped by this guy that I almost forget the armorer is even involved. Then there are the 2 additional accidental misfires on the set 2 days prior, which led to safety phone calls made by crew members and crew members walking off the set. At this point, any good producer would’ve gotten involved. Movies have like 20 producers but most are vanity credits. All but maybe 3 are. The Line Producer and UPM are the 2 responsible for production and hiring. I worked with the Line Producer on Rust a few years back where she was an office PA, which is the lowest possible position on any production. Now she’s doing the highest position? This production was filled with inexperienced people and that is the issue. We all know who’s to blame and the names are David Halls, first AD and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, armorer. Don’t forget, this happened back in the 90’s where an actor shot and killed Brandon Lee during a scene where a wad of something got lodged into the chamber and the blank killed him. There were no charges to the actor who pulled the trigger but that’s when the gun protocol went into affect. Also, NOBODY is supposed to touch the gun, except the armorer. Certainly unheard of for an AD to pick up a gun off a cart and hand it to an actor. He’s admitted he didn’t check the gun prior to handing it over to an actor.

Then Baldwin, as a producer and actor, should have know that protocol was not followed and should have called it out, and checked the gun himself. Baldwin is the producer and in charge of the filming operations so he should be held responsible for this tragedy.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

This was only her 2nd job and as you see, she was fired from her first one. To be a prop master or armorer you need lots of experience. There’s no way a 24 year old could possibly have that amount of experience. But then there’s also the 1st assistant director. That is the person in charge of all safety on set. The protocol for a cold gun on set is for the armorer to bring the gun on set, in front of the crew, show the 1st AD and crew/actors that the gun is empty, they do this every single time a real gun is brought onto the set. I’ve worked on sets for 30+ years and have never, not once NOT seen this happen. It’s tedious and we’ve all seen it a hundred times, but it still has to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME a gun is brought on set. The AD, not only didn’t do his job, he picked up the gun and handed to the actor yelling cold gun. There are so many balls dropped by this guy that I almost forget the armorer is even involved. Then there are the 2 additional accidental misfires on the set 2 days prior, which led to safety phone calls made by crew members and crew members walking off the set. At this point, any good producer would’ve gotten involved. Movies have like 20 producers but most are vanity credits. All but maybe 3 are. The Line Producer and UPM are the 2 responsible for production and hiring. I worked with the Line Producer on Rust a few years back where she was an office PA, which is the lowest possible position on any production. Now she’s doing the highest position? This production was filled with inexperienced people and that is the issue. We all know who’s to blame and the names are David Halls, first AD and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, armorer. Don’t forget, this happened back in the 90’s where an actor shot and killed Brandon Lee during a scene where a wad of something got lodged into the chamber and the blank killed him. There were no charges to the actor who pulled the trigger but that’s when the gun protocol went into affect. Also, NOBODY is supposed to touch the gun, except the armorer. Certainly unheard of for an AD to pick up a gun off a cart and hand it to an actor. He’s admitted he didn’t check the gun prior to handing it over to an actor.

You stated that "the actors" are shown that the gun is empty... And that that didn't happen...

Baldwin has been on many movie sets with guns. He knows the drill. He should have checked...

And yes, the "armorer" was incompetent and it's being reported she was nowhere to be found...

That still doesn't excuse what happened down the chain of custody...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

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Baldwin didn’t accidentally fire the revolver, he negligently fired the revolver after failing to check to see if it contained live rounds.
People that are competent with firearms know there is no such thing as an unloaded firearm.

Prezactly!

And don't forget, Baldwin has a CCW from NYC (which is almost impossible to get), so he's had the requisite training...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

If only you knew what you were talking about. It’s the fault of the first assistant director and the armorer PERIOD. Just because you don’t like Alec Baldwin’s politics, doesn’t make him responsible. The actor who pulled trigger and killed Brandon Lee is certainly walking around free and so is the prop master/armorer who failed to check that gun. That was before the first AD was in charge of safety. Used to be the key grip.

Good thing laws don't change in 30 years... PERIOD.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by bilcon

The first thing you learn when handling guns is: Don't point a gun at anyone or anything unless you intend to shoot it. Why was he pointing a gun in the direction of the camera person and then pulling the trigger? Heads will roll on this one.

Because they wanted a "point of view" shot of him firing the gun...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

The gun was handed to him, by his first ad, who told him it was a cold gun. The AD’s job is to make sure the gun is cold by having the armorer open the barrel and literally show him. Then the armorer hands the gun to the actor. NOT the AD. The AD’s job is safety on set……….SAFETY ON SET…….This is from his previous show….

Just because you keep repeating yourself, doesn't make it true...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

They were rehearsing. He was sitting in a pew, with what he was told was a cold gun, he was practicing drawing the gun. It was, not sure of the term, when you draw with the opposite hand as the holster. That’s when the gun went off. They had 2 accidental discharges with guns on that set days prior. In the history of Hollywood this has happened only twice. The first time with Brandon Lee, is when the strict gun rules were put in place. The first AD on Rust did NOT follow the protocol. He is in charge of safety. He failed at his duties as did the armorer.

It's called a "cross draw"...

And guns don't just "go off"... Someone must pull the trigger...

And there is no such thing as an "accidental" discharge. It's called a "negligent" discharge...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Maybe it's time the industry changes its protocol.
The person doing the shooting should also check the firearm before pulling the trigger.
If someone hands me a gun and tells me it's unloaded, I don't take their word for it. I check it also.
Basic firearm safety.

From what I've read, it's supposed to be checked with the crew/actor present.

If that was not done, the actor should have done it himself...

Here's a question...

If the scene required Baldwin to play Russian Roulette with the gun, do you think he would have simply trusted someone who claimed "cold gun"? Or would he have checked it himself, to make sure?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Was he in that movie? I thought it was the weasel guy (also a result of nepotism. His mom owns the comedy club(s) in CA.

Pauly Shore... Yes, both of them were in that movie...