[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by billethkid

there was a time when we would have not stood by and just be in a reactive mode....a time sorely missed by many of us.

This enemy is so easy to defeat....just go in and mow them down so they become afraid to stick their head out the door. Send in the drones and continue picking them off till they are gone.
ISIS has one very big advantage going for them.....THEY KNOW WE WILL NOT GO ON THE OFFENSIVE to obliterate them.

Rag tag thugs and cowards against some of the mightiest militaries in the world......not in the time sorely missed they would not!

I don't think that it's quite that simple. When ever they are attacked, they disappear into the general population making it virtually impossible to tell the terrorists from the rest of the citizens.

[Rags123]

We are being mocked. I am surprised nobody mentioned the ISIS poster seen on tv in Ferguson.

"‘Chilling’ Sign Seen Behind CNN’s Jake Tapper During Ferguson Protest"

‘Chilling’ Sign Seen Behind CNN’s Jake Tapper During Ferguson Protests | Video | TheBlaze.com

And please no chatter about the source....they are still shots from CNN. And as we have seen recently, the news media is making all of our decisions now thus I have yet to see this even mentioned on main stream media !

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I don't think that it's quite that simple. When ever they are attacked, they disappear into the general population making it virtually impossible to tell the terrorists from the rest of the citizens.

All conjecture, but wonder if Mr Foley would be alive to day if we had meant what we said about the red line about a year ago ?

All conjecture, but wonder if ISIS would be this strong or rich if we had meant what we said about the red line about a year ago?

Just asking..

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Trying to be diplomatic here, but WHERE was all of this anger when thousands of children were being killed in the streets of Syria...there was NONE. A thread was begun on here quite sometime ago about the situation in Syria and was basically ignored.

Please...

Not one comment made to that thread.

A number of conversations did ensue outside this thread but all were just politics.

Please also check to determine where ISIS got its beginnng and strength

Isis origin? Tell, please.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Isis origin? Tell, please.

Outreach of Alqueda in Iraq....strength and organization came....

Jan 2014

"ISIS originated as an al-Qaeda offshoot in Iraq. Composed of fundamentalist Sunni Muslims, the group targeted the Iraqi government and American forces in Iraq, as well as Shia Muslims and Christians (both of whom it considers heretics) and killed civilians of all faiths in indiscriminate attacks. It expanded into Syria when that country's uprising turned into a war between President Bashar Assad (who is backed by Iran's Shia leadership) and the rebels he had tried to crush. One of the best-equipped and funded militias on the ground—although its sources of cash are murky—ISIS took control of the eastern rebel-held city of Raqqa in 2012 and expanded along the border with Turkey. Foreign fighters flocked to Syria to join it. "-

See more at: The Economist explains: What ISIS, an al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, really wants | The Economist



The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) is so hardline that it was disavowed by al-Qaida's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Led by an Iraqi called Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Isis was originally an al-Qaida group in Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). As the Syrian civil war intensified, its involvement in the conflict was indirect at first. Abu Muhammad al-Joulani, an ISI member, established Jabhat al-Jabhat al-Nusra in mid-2011, which became the main jihadi group in the Syrian war. Joulani received support and funding from ISI and Baghdadi.


Who are Isis? A terror group too extreme even for al-Qaida | World news | theguardian.com

Do you think there is at least a chance had we enforced our red line that Mr Foley might be alive ? At least a chance......they were born where we left and/or did nothing.

[Rags123]

And will add this from 2013 I had misplaced this and just located

"Al-Qaeda in Syria: A Closer Look at ISIS (Part I) "

"In 2012, however, AQI -- which renamed itself the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) after Zarqawi was killed by a U.S. strike in 2006 -- began to bounce back. One of the factors that led to this resurgence was the Syrian uprising. In late summer 2011, ISI leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi dispatched operatives to Syria to set up a new jihadist organization. Among them was Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani, the leader of what would become JN, which officially announced itself in late January 2012. By November 2012, Jawlani had built JN into one of the opposition's best fighting forces, and locals viewed its members as fair arbiters when dealing with corruption and social services."

Al-Qaeda in Syria: A Closer Look at ISIS (Part I) - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

Ignoring Syria as we did enabled this group.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So does anyone have an opinion on what if any, our response should be to this? The president is talking tough and saying that we will not stop until these people are brought to justice. He also said that this "cancer" must be eradicated from the earth.

Assuming you agree, how should we go about accomplishing this?

[billethkid]

These thug killers/terrorists do exactly what they say.
We do not.
Our position on almost any issue of significance has degenerated to the notion that if it was talked about it was addressed.
No follow up.
No commitment.
No threat to anybody....anymore........
So yes if we would have done we we said we were going to do a year ago, he and thousands more would be alive today.

ISIS is now emboldened, un afraid and they will kill some of us here in the USA.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Rags123

And will add this from 2013 I had misplaced this and just located

"Al-Qaeda in Syria: A Closer Look at ISIS (Part I) "

"In 2012, however, AQI -- which renamed itself the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) after Zarqawi was killed by a U.S. strike in 2006 -- began to bounce back. One of the factors that led to this resurgence was the Syrian uprising. In late summer 2011, ISI leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi dispatched operatives to Syria to set up a new jihadist organization. Among them was Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani, the leader of what would become JN, which officially announced itself in late January 2012. By November 2012, Jawlani had built JN into one of the opposition's best fighting forces, and locals viewed its members as fair arbiters when dealing with corruption and social services."

Al-Qaeda in Syria: A Closer Look at ISIS (Part I) - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

Ignoring Syria as we did enabled this group.

I agree with you about Syria. I believe Putin is providing chem warfare assistance..

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by CFrance

No, evil is not going to go away, but that doesn't mean we have to, or should, watch it happen. Reading that it happened is enough to keep my head out of the sand. Just my opinion.

I don't intend to watch it either, CF, and you don't need to. I keep hearing on the news that "Americans are tired of war" which I interpret to mean we just want problems to go away so we can keep having fun.

Nation needs to be shaken awake...

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by gomoho

They are butchers that need to be stopped before they reach our shores and unleash their hatred on us. They said they will not stop till their flag flies over our White House.

Right on.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Rags123

And will add this from 2013 I had misplaced this and just located

"Al-Qaeda in Syria: A Closer Look at ISIS (Part I) "

"In 2012, however, AQI -- which renamed itself the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) after Zarqawi was killed by a U.S. strike in 2006 -- began to bounce back. One of the factors that led to this resurgence was the Syrian uprising. In late summer 2011, ISI leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi dispatched operatives to Syria to set up a new jihadist organization. Among them was Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani, the leader of what would become JN, which officially announced itself in late January 2012. By November 2012, Jawlani had built JN into one of the opposition's best fighting forces, and locals viewed its members as fair arbiters when dealing with corruption and social services."

Al-Qaeda in Syria: A Closer Look at ISIS (Part I) - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

Ignoring Syria as we did enabled this group.

Yes, ignoring Syria, did enable this group.

Ignorance is bliss..........or is it???

I agree that we should have paid more attention to Syria's problems with ISIS.

I've never ever been a "hawk".......have always been more of a pacifist by nature.

However, ISIS causes alarm in my soul.......I just have a supremely bad feeling about it & it's ability to gain such momentum so quickly. Supposedly, even Alkaeda is afraid of them.

My purpose for posting the links to the New York Times Newspaper article as well as the Orlando Sentinel article was that the first journalist was from our neighboring state of New Hampshire.........the second one, presumably still alive, went to college in central Florida; a resident of Miami.

Everyone can make their own decision on whether to "look" or "not look"........however, in this case, "ignorance is not bliss". I never ever ever thought I would be saying that I support our air strikes, even if collateral damage occurs, however, someone has to stop these nuts who are living in the DARK AGES.

Again, ignorance is not bliss.........

Case in point.......as seen in recent WWII documentary.....

After our U.S. G.I.'s discovered the horrors of the Nazi concentration camps at the end of WWII, the local neighboring villagers claimed to NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE of what had been transpiring..............what? See link below. Also, if I recall, we made them transport & bury the dead...........we just most recently saw a documentary of it...........not a pretty sight, to say the least.

We cannot let insane people rule our world......

My heart goes out to Foley's father & mother..........who find comfort in believing he is in heaven at peace............this morning we heard that ISIS had emailed a ransom request to the family, but when they begged for mercy & some more "time" ISIS never responded back...............God forbid that they are not already in our country as sleeper cells............Great Britain is alarmed as well.

If people keep silent, history is bound to repeat itself...........I prefer to know & see what is happening, even if it is shocking.

With all of the violence on cable t.v. / movies at the cinema , etc. nowadays.......why turn puritan at barbaric acts harking back to the dark ages?

Perhaps America needs to be shocked out of its complacency........lest we be the ones suffering through the next regime of total "nuts".........barbarians called ISIS.

We all live such complacent comfortable luxurious lives, free to go where we choose at whatever time we choose........to travel in safety & peace across this great country of ours............not escaping via a treacherous climb over mountains from total insanity or witnessing young men/old men put into ditches to be slaughtered. This is not the doings of civilized people..........

Knowledge is power.........lest it happen again, perhaps this time to US.

http://phdast7.hubpages.com/hub/Waht...System-Part-II

What the average German knew about the concentration camps...........

Thomas Hale wrote, "disease – typhus, dysentery, and tuberculosis – was universal. The crematory had been operating around the clock….the stench of death and of piles of human excrement was overpowering, yet the townspeople nearby said they knew nothing of the camp.

Staff Sergeant Malachowsky, at Nordhausen with the 329th Medical Battalion, recalled that "the smell covered the entire countryside…for miles around….when we asked these people in the town…how they could permit such a thing, they said they did not know there was a camp like that next to them."

Frequently GIs mention the proximity of camps to villages, towns, and cities and emphasize that people living nearby would have known something about the camps. PFC Dalton, with the 89th Infantry Division was quite emphatic. "I do not believe anyone could live that close to such a place and not know what was going on."

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

HORRIBLE: ISIS murders 1500 POWs in a brutal display of violence (NSFW) » The Right Scoop -

Don't watch this horribly brutal video. We are concerned and upset about one American journalist. This is a video of hundreds being slaughtered in a few minutes time. Don't watch it.

I watched it plus sent it to my husband's computer.......plus that of our adult children & all of our friends who are also concerned re the meteoric rise of these total barbarians.......

Thanks Kitty....

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

I don't intend to watch it either, CF, and you don't need to. I keep hearing on the news that "Americans are tired of war" which I interpret to mean we just want problems to go away so we can keep having fun.

Nation needs to be shaken awake...

The youtubes were taken down soon after they were put up......
however, those of us who saw it........

It simply consisted of the black garbed terrorist standing next to Foley, while giving his long diatribe, then stepping BEHIND FOLEY......putting the short knife to the front of his throat. The next scene was the journalist laying on the ground. The head part was covered with a brown cloth. Foley was also allowed to give a short goodbye to his parents......he was very very brave as his mom has said. Those of us who have adult children who fly & travel all over the world, the same children who were taught to love everyone worldwide.......the same children who accepted diversity, who volunteered to help struggling nations via good deeds.....now have to pause & wonder "what went wrong" as our world seems to have come under the influence of madmen.....& I do not mean Madison Avenue Advertising firms.........but barbarians from the dark ages, bent on destroying all of us.

The "General's execution" on Aljazeera only showed his head placed between his legs (he was in uniform) while his torso was tilted toward the very bloody spot where his head came off. My husband saw the execution , which I did not see. They made him bend over & cut from the back of the neck...........whereas with Foley, the journalist from N.H., the terrorist cut with the small knife to the throat. Just the thought of it is excruciating to comprehend. But, knowledge is power.

[graciegirl]

AP
News The Huffington Post ISIS sent email to Foley's family prior to slaying

The CEO of GlobalPost, where Foley worked, said ISIS had been in contact, typically to make demands, but that last