[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is laughable that we cannot do something about men full of hatred who use assault style weapons to terrorize their fellow Americans.

Take their tools away is the most logical.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Lottoguy

You know your argument on guns is no good when you compare cars killing people to guns killing people. Laughable!

We’re comparing risks and it is even funnier that it isn’t considered an important factor when you think of the numbers of guns in the states and cars in the states and the death rates. Automobile deaths would be lowered dramatically if certain laws were changed but you wouldn’t want anyone to take your car away and leave you with a smart car for your lifetime.

Read Bill from the UK’s statement, you can’t stop those with intent.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Take their tools away is the most logical.

Monitor mental illness is better, new tools can be found anywhere.

[manaboutown]

That the Ohio shooter was seriously mentally disturbed is clear from his now canceled Twitter account. Here are some screenshots from it. Twitter Suspends Account Allegedly Linked to Ohio Shooter | Breitbart

According to his classmates he also kept "Hit" and "Rape" lists. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...tc8lyV6OuFDFYY

[JackRussell]

You're right. Our kids and grandkids should be taught how to use and carry a gun so they won't become victims. Almost all mass shootings occur in Gun Free Zones.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Take their tools away is the most logical.

Yes it is. But it is also highly unrealistic. That is locking the barn after the horses are out.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Velvet

I guess I am thinking, when one of us gets hurt, we are all hurting.
Just look at us in TOTV how concerned we are about these shootings.

Velvet, very true.

People have been killing each other since the beginning of time. They just didn’t hear about it 5 seconds after it happened and have it regurgitated for days after.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The 9/11 terrorists were not mentally ill nor the Boston Marathon bombers. I have not seen any signs of mental illness in the Dayton nor El Paso mass murderers.

I don't agree. I think that all terrorists are demented and mentally ill.
I think anyone who shoots people in cold blood for whatever reason is mentally ill.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by fw102807

People have been killing each other since the beginning of time. They just didn’t hear about it 5 seconds after it happened and have it regurgitated for days after.

"Fame" is probably part of their sick motivation for mass shootings.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

"Fame" is probably part of their sick motivation for mass shootings.

Exactly. I would like to think that gun control would solve the problem but people who are determined to kill are going to find a way to do it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And you think hate of that magnitude isn’t mental illness?

No, it's not. And the fact that you don't understand this is disheartening. Americans who committed atrocities on civilians in Vietnam were driven by hate, and not mentally ill - yet. When they came back, that's another story.

People who were led into following the Nazi regime, believing in the dogma, and committing atrocities in the name of hatred of "other" during WWII - were not mentally ill.

People who are committing atrocities now in the name of hatred of "other" are not mentally ill. Only 22% of mass shootings in the USA were committed by the mentally ill. The other 78% were NOT mentally ill. They acted out of hate and fear of "other." Those acts were driven by people of influence, who led them to the hatred and fear with words, actions, or a combination of both.

[Sharonenright]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Anyone know of even conversation taking place about a uniquely American situation ?

Anyone know of any legislation being discussed ?

The legislative solution will ge the same as always: “thoughts and prayers”.
The legislators’ only concern is for the big donors.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Sharonenright

The legislative solution will ge the same as always: “thoughts and prayers”.
The legislators’ only concern is for the big donors.

Some of them. But some are just as concerned as you and I. Sometimes ALL that can be said are words of sympathy. ALL of us would like to solve these problems and each believes we have the answer. Starting new arguments and saying demeaning things to others especially things not completely accurate only relieves our own emotional "steam" for a moment. We are the wise, older ones. Many of us are not past the "define the problem" and "gather facts on the problem" part of problem solving and some people will never, ever accept that some problems can never be solved completly because of the human factor.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Starting new arguments and saying demeaning things to others especially things not completely accurate only relieves our own emotional "steam" for a moment.

FINALLY, something I can disagree with you on.

I find "venting" no longer releases the steam, it seems to have the opposite effect and gets me and my wife more upset.

We are trying hard to avoid venting - it seems to be working. The more we try to listen to the other side and find things we can agree with, the better we feel after the conversation.