[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Switter

I agree. I am disgusted at the "he had it coming to him." attitude all over the Internet and in the media by what appears to be the majority of people in this country. Maybe that's just the media making it seem that way. I get people's grievances with big corporations but to gun down another human being in cold blood, and shoot him in the back no less, is evil. No due process, no legal representation, just some angry person who feels he was wronged or on some crusade gets to be the judge, jury, and executioner. All I can say is if the majority of people really do feel this way, we are already lost as a country.

Reading social media would give you a view that the sentiment is a majority of the country, but i highly doubt that is the case. There are forces which are trying to break down the US from within, without any actual violence, etc. these are trolls, designed to amplify anti democratic themes, and stir discontent. They are preying on for profit media which rely on views/ads for money. Musk/X has that built into his views payments, from where many get their leads.

in reality, I do not believe that the majority of people in this country believe what you stated. I believe that the majority of people are of two reactions:

1) indifference to the shooting similar to the indifference of insurance companies to their customers.
2) its no different that other shootings of children, concert goers, mass shootings, etc. where guns are an issue, not for the sane and responsible, but for the insane and irresponsible.

So that is why there are not a huge outcry against the individual, when nothing has been done about removing similar weapons which have killed many more innocent people enjoying life in an outdoor gathering, or children going to school. And many have personally experienced insurance issues of rejection.

When there is a possibility of redress / punishment for abuse, many people will feel relieved that the abuse, financial or otherwise, is addressed, and will not feel the need to act out. If people don't have faith in the system for punishments, then a few will act out.

Other people similarly fed up with society's lack of actions:
Bernard Goetz if you are of northeast familiarity
1984 New York City Subway shooting - Wikipedia
Very recently, Dan Penny chokehold death of catch/release of abuser/harasser
Jury finds Daniel Penny not guilty in NYC subway chokehold case - Gothamist
Unabomber Ted Kaczynski
Ted Kaczynski - Wikipedia

The problem is the society's view of the legal system, and less so of the protectors of the law.

Luigi appears to have been a follower of Ted Kaczynski prior to any medical experiences, which he may have experienced. So he was psychologically primed for something to set him off.

This is a feature, not a bug, of humanity
with freedom you fear each other,
with autocracy you fear the government

now get off of social media and back to enjoying what life we have remaining !

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

We’ve almost all had unpleasant experiences at some point in our lives with the health care system. No matter how bad one’s experience have been, our who they choose to blame, it doesn’t come close to justifying premeditated cold blooded murder.

[asianthree]

No matter what the shooter chose to target one person. He could have entered corporate offices and killed many who weren’t even involved in decision-making. My guess is thats why corporate has a lock down on offices, concerned for their other employees.

[Caymus]

The Crypto betting market predicted he would be caught on the 6th day. I don't see a line for odds of conviction.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savi...d=BingNewsSerp

[jimjamuser]

Strange, that he got away as far as he did, then he got sloppy, like keeping the gun . It is as if he wanted to get caught to take credit for the crime. If I had been him, I would have bleached my hair and eyebrows and taken off for Mexico and had plastic surgery on my nose.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

The trial will be in New York. From the comments that I have seen online, I think it will be hard to get all 12 jurors to convict. At least one or two jurors will hate insurance companies and will vote to acquit - no matter the evidence.

I don't think that he will get acquitted, but a lot of people on various talk sites are thinking of him as a modern Robin Hood. I can see a lot of EVIL in companies like UHC - an insurance company with the highest rejection rate in their industry - and high pay for their executives.
..........I think that professional and amateur football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, and golf players and coaches all make too much money. But, I doubt that they are as HATED as an UHC executive.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by frayedends

Regardless of how this turns out I would take what the media says with a grain of salt. They throw around “ghost gun” like they have any idea. The pic I saw looked like a stippled Glock. Maybe 3D printed. But they also act like you can print an entire functional gun. They use “manifesto” for anything a suspect has written.

This guy is apparently dumb as a stump having kept as much evidence as possible on his person.

Well, he is hardly "dumb as a stump". Not too many stumps have a masters degree in engineering. He did seem to get dumb toward the end, but maybe he wanted to get caught. He should have bleached his hair and eyebrows and gotten a different nose in Mexico if he was serious about getting away with it.

[MollyJo]

Interested in hearing his motive…CEO & his wife were separated. Humm..

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Switter

I agree. I am disgusted at the "he had it coming to him." attitude all over the Internet and in the media by what appears to be the majority of people in this country. Maybe that's just the media making it seem that way. I get people's grievances with big corporations but to gun down another human being in cold blood, and shoot him in the back no less, is evil. No due process, no legal representation, just some angry person who feels he was wronged or on some crusade gets to be the judge, jury, and executioner. All I can say is if the majority of people really do feel this way, we are already lost as a country.

I think that 2 things can be TRUE at the same time. It is terrible that someone is murdered! But, we have a problem in this country with too much money going upward after about 1970. The middle class became weaker and the upper class became much, much stronger. The enemy is the tax rate levels, not one particular UHC executive that just took advantage of the system.
........The shooter is being thought of as a Robin Hood figure. That is wrong, but his glorification "POINTS OUT" that the average US citizen has lost money and power after the tax changes around 1970
..........The US would be much stronger and more stable IF SOMEHOW it could go back to the tax levels of the 50s and 60s. When, not coincidentally, America really was GREAT.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Robbb

Isn't this a dealth penalty case? He crossed state lines to commit it, its clearly premeditated, wouldn't that make it a federal crime eligible for the death penalty? I have asked this questions in a few forums and no one seems to know.

The last I heard, it is in New York's jurisdiction so no death penalty there.

[Altavia]

At least he didn't shoot up a bunch of kindergarteners...

There have been at least 81 school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of December 6.

Twenty-seven were on college campuses, and 54 were on K-12 school grounds.

The incidents left 36 people dead and at least 109 other victims injured,

Just saying...

[Rainger99]

I do not know of any case where CEOs have been sent to prison for any significant time for having corporate policies that killed people.

The most egregious cases that I can think of are Pinto and Bhopal. I think that Pinto was just a civil lawsuit. I don't think anyone was charged criminally. In Bhopal, the actions in the US were dismissed but some people were sent to prison in India for two years and a $2000 fine.

According to the internet, some insurance companies appear to intentionally deny some legitimate claims in order to save money As a result, people have died because of those decisions.

If that is true, that a company intentionally denies valid claims and people die because they don't get the medical treatment that would have saved their lives - should the people that make those decisions be subject to criminal prosecution? Or should they be immune from criminal liability and the criminal action is only brought against the corporation?

[Rainger99]

Amazon has removed the items from their website.

Mugs, hats, holiday sweaters: CEO shooting merch is for sale online

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I think that 2 things can be TRUE at the same time. It is terrible that someone is murdered! But, we have a problem in this country with too much money going upward after about 1970. The middle class became weaker and the upper class became much, much stronger. The enemy is the tax rate levels, not one particular UHC executive that just took advantage of the system.
........The shooter is being thought of as a Robin Hood figure. That is wrong, but his glorification "POINTS OUT" that the average US citizen has lost money and power after the tax changes around 1970
..........The US would be much stronger and more stable IF SOMEHOW it could go back to the tax levels of the 50s and 60s. When, not coincidentally, America really was GREAT.

Interesting opinion.

So, the top 10% of earners paying 77% of all income tax and the top 53% paying 100% of that tax isn't "fair enough". I suppose handing out social service $$$ that would require an uneducated single mother of 2 to hold a job that pays $78,000/year to break even is fair?

Just giving the opposing viewpoint

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

We’ve almost all had unpleasant experiences at some point in our lives with the health care system. No matter how bad one’s experience have been, our who they choose to blame, it doesn’t come close to justifying premeditated cold blooded murder.

However when your child is denied possible lifesaving treatment, either by surgical or chemical intervention, by your healthcare. One might have different thoughts. It happens everyday, maybe hasn’t crossed your lifetime, but many have denied care, that it would be for some not just a bad experience, but a trip to the cemetery.