[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut;9***49

Very good post. However, I would add there is no right religion, wrong religion OR NO RELIGION. For some to use religion as a way to make sense of the world and our existence is total arrogance. Science keeps searching for answers and those answers keep evolving, however, some regions believe they are the only answer. Unfortunate!

Arrogance is when a person disdains for no good reason. We are not all born with the same attitude, abilities or needs. Some by their innate personality must show themselves superior by making scathing remarks to people who in no way have personally provoked them. Or harmed anyone.

If you believe in God, do it quietly, He will do the work. If you do not believe in God, do it quietly, because you can hurt and harm people who do and will not change their minds.

If you are born with a few more IQ points than most, use them for the betterment of mankind. That does not always mean you have common sense or compassion.

Arrogance is a word to describe some that try to show themselves superior by criticizing people who are peacefully living their lives with a gentle faith to sustain them.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Arrogance is when a person disdains for no good reason. We are not all born with the same attitude, abilities or needs. Some by their innate personality must show themselves superior by making scathing remarks to people who in no way have personally provoked them. Or harmed anyone.

If you believe in God, do it quietly, He will do the work. If you do not believe in God, do it quietly, because you will hurt and harm people who do and will not change their minds.

If you are born with a few more IQ points than most, use them for the betterment of mankind. That does not always mean you have common sense or compassion.

Arrogance is a word to describe some that show themselves superior by criticizing people who are peacefully living their lives with a gentle faith to sustain them.

I can only think that tennisnut meant ignorance not arrogance? The sentence doesn't make sense otherwise.

[Sophie11]

I found this on the internet which I thought was very good - Science in the Bible – Correct or Way outdated? | Shoresh David Brandon

Until man can grab a cup of the sun and bring here to analyze - I have to believe we are as intelligent as the grasshopper.

[rubicon]

Here we go again. How can a person have a failure to open their hearts to God. Based on what frames of reference, another person's interpretations. Why is this other human being is more infallible than me regardless if we are speaking about faith or science? While a specific scientific theory may prove accurate to the situation at hand it doesn't mean it has relevance to the universe question. I am open to any theory but really man's knowledge is built on man and while it is all we have it has proven faulty over and over again

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Arrogance is when a person disdains for no good reason. We are not all born with the same attitude, abilities or needs. Some by their innate personality must show themselves superior by making scathing remarks to people who in no way have personally provoked them. Or harmed anyone.

If you believe in God, do it quietly, He will do the work. If you do not believe in God, do it quietly, because you can hurt and harm people who do and will not change their minds.

If you are born with a few more IQ points than most, use them for the betterment of mankind. That does not always mean you have common sense or compassion.

Arrogance is a word to describe some that try to show themselves superior by criticizing people who are peacefully living their lives with a gentle faith to sustain them.

To believe that a supreme made ourselves in his image or gave his only begotten son is, to me, arrogant or, at the least self serving. Also, religions groups have a history of trying to convert others to their religion without respecting the current religion of these people. Look at all missions by the Spanish as well as white shirts on bikes handing out pamphlets. My thoughts.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by Walter123

I can only think that tennisnut meant ignorance not arrogance? The sentence doesn't make sense otherwise.

Oops, looks like I was wrong.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Oops, looks like I was wrong.

Yes, we all have our beliefs and it is very personal one. There are hundreds of religions all trying to explain the same question.

[rubicon]

I can't be a believer, I can't be an atheist I can't be agnostic because to be any of the preceding requires proof that a supreme being is real or that a supreme being is a figment of man's imagination. I can't even be arrogant or ignorant because that also requires the same criteria. Heck we don't know if any of us really exist. It think and so I am. Or is it I think, I think and so I am ,maybe
The tests ,the arguments, the theories are all man made and all they amount to is arguing man's interpretations of man's existence an existence many conclude is exclusive to this entire universe.

[RickeyD]

Who's on first, what's on second and I don't know is on third.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I can't be a believer, I can't be an atheist I can't be agnostic because to be any of the preceding requires proof that a supreme being is real or that a supreme being is a figment of man's imagination. I can't even be arrogant or ignorant because that also requires the same criteria. Heck we don't know if any of us really exist. It think and so I am. Or is it I think, I think and so I am ,maybe

The tests ,the arguments, the theories are all man made and all they amount to is arguing man's interpretations of man's existence an existence many conclude is exclusive to this entire universe.

Atheist, Agonostic, Beliver, Non-believer...it's all BS. Nothing more than labels.

[onslowe]

Moral Relativism. One religion is as good or the same as the next. Well, I can't agree at all. Relativism is a quickly disposed of "stance" for the intellectually lazy and morally clueless amongst us. Mother Theresa is the same as Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. A wild eyed beheader is morally the same as a medical missionary. And so on.

Logic demands honesty.

God doesn't work by democracy, human concepts of equality, nor feel good false kumbaya emotions.

I am a stumbling, bumbling Christian who worships in the Anglo Catholic faith and Church.
I believe Jesus is the Son of God. Like the rest of my knuckle dragging simple ilk, I believe God doesn't lie. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." He didn't say "I am one of the Ways…."

And that's all I have to say about that.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by onslowe

Moral Relativism. One religion is as good or the same as the next. Well, I can't agree at all. Relativism is a quickly disposed of "stance" for the intellectually lazy and morally clueless amongst us. Mother Theresa is the same as Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. A wild eyed beheader is morally the same as a medical missionary. And so on.

Logic demands honesty.

God doesn't work by democracy, human concepts of equality, nor feel good false kumbaya emotions.

I am a stumbling, bumbling Christian who worships in the Anglo Catholic faith and Church.
I believe Jesus is the Son of God. Like the rest of my knuckle dragging simple ilk, I believe God doesn't lie. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." He didn't say "I am one of the Ways…."

And that's all I have to say about that.

What does religion have to do with morality ?

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=Tennisnut;943607]To believe that a supreme made ourselves in his image or gave his only begotten son is, to me, arrogant or, at the least self serving. Also, religions groups have a history of trying to convert others to their religion without respecting the current religion of these people. Look at all missions by the Spanish as well as white shirts on bikes handing out pamphlets. My thoughts.[/QUOTE]

The only people that have evangelized to us in the last thirty years were the Jehovah Witnesses.

Then there are those people who by their lives and their warmth and their kindness draw you to them and make you wonder what is their secret, but they don't SAY anything.

What exactly does the pink high lighted mean? I don't know of any missions by Spanish and white shirts on bikes? Never in all of my 75 years have I seen what you speak of.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

To believe that a supreme made ourselves in his image or gave his only begotten son is, to me, arrogant or, at the least self serving. Also, religions groups have a history of trying to convert others to their religion without respecting the current religion of these people. Look at all missions by the Spanish as well as white shirts on bikes handing out pamphlets. My thoughts.

And if it turns out you are totally wrong?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by tedquick;9***31

We can choose to have faith or not to have faith. We can choose to believe or not to believe. Or can we?

I would say no, we can't. Choosing hasn't been my experience. I didn't choose anything and I have no idea how anyone would go about choosing.

I did choose lots of things in my life so I know how choosing works. But when it comes to faith as it is set forth in the Bible, like a prescription, I don't see it like so many others do.

I don't mind thinking and accepting the idea that there might be some higher power in the universe. But I don't know what it is and I doubt it's going to reward me with eternal life if I'm good.