[Patty55]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Better food for thought:
Ever wonder how they knew there would be people like Hawkins and warned us against them.


Psalms 14:1

King James Version of Psalms 14:1.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

OMG, I think this is the first time I have ever heard Hawking described as a "FOOL".

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

It has been suggested more than once on TOTV that it's possible to become faithful. I'm not sure I know the right way to say it because I don't remember the exact words. It was said that there's a certain way to go about it but not with intellect. You have to be open to it in some way. So I think if people are suggesting that it's possible, I would like to know how it's done.

It has been done without someone being open to it. Take a look at Saul, for one. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9



I believe someone said on one of the religious threads, "If you don't like the topic of religion, you don't have to read it. You can just pass it up." If you don't read something it can't be shoved down your throat. But it seems like there's more to it than that. They actually want to join in and trash the topic. In other words, if they don't like the subject of health, they don't want anyone else to have it either. So they try to destroy the thread and/or get it shut down. Why can't they just pass it by? Are you suggesting that they can't help themselves?

I came on this thread to read about religion, not about FOOD or to receive another lecture about how to eat. Sure enough... another lecture about FOOD. I refuse to not read a thread because it might go off topic, esp. into one I'm tired of hearing about. I have every right to object to that.




The lecturer? Do you think this thread is lecturing about religion? And so what if it is, you don't have to be here if you don't want to. I wouldn't mind if there would be a new thread on religion every day. I wouldn't mind if they started a separate board for religion, and I'm not a religious person. In no way would I ever accuse them of forcing religion down my throat. If I were to lose interest in it, I could just stop reading. Why don't you do the same with whatever displeases you?

No, this is a debate about religion. Not food and how to eat! The body being a temple, in religious sense, has nothing to do with what to eat.


Please stop twisting subjects people are posting about out of context in order to insert your favorite subject into every thread.

[onslowe]

Excellent post, CF France. Truthful and precise.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Better food for thought:
Ever wonder how they knew there would be people like Hawkins and warned us against them.


Psalms 14:1

King James Version of Psalms 14:1.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Not better. The Best food for thought.

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Better food for thought:
Ever wonder how they knew there would be people like Hawkins and warned us against them.

Fyi, Stephen Hawking is a lifetime member if the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, a scientific academy of the Vatican.

Here is a quote from the then-Pope (Pope Benedict XVI) in November 2012, regarding the Pontifical Academy of Sciences:

"Dialogue and cooperation between faith and science are urgently needed for building a culture that respects people and the planet...Without faith and science informing each other "the great questions of humanity leave the domain of reason and truth, and are abandoned to the irrational, to myth, or to indifference, with great damage to humanity itself, to world peace and to our ultimate destiny."

[dbussone]

Please don't highlight in yellow. I (and I'm sure others) cannot read it. Thanks.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by rubicon

If you don't like the subject of health........... If you don't like the subject of religion don't read it...

I basically agree with this principle. The only problem with the if-you-don't-like-the-topic-then-don't-read-it approach is that some posters will try to turn any topic into a discussion of their pet topic.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by CFrance

No, this is a debate about religion. Not food and how to eat! The body being a temple, in religious sense, has nothing to do with what to eat.


Please stop twisting subjects people are posting about out of context in order to insert your favorite subject into every thread.

Thanks for saying it.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I basically agree with this principle. The only problem with the if-you-don't-like-the-topic-then-don't-read-it approach is that some posters will try to turn any topic into a discussion of their pet topic.

OHHHH yes.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Fyi, Stephen Hawking is a lifetime member if the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, a scientific academy of the Vatican.

Here is a quote from the then-Pope (Pope Benedict XVI) in November 2012, regarding the Pontifical Academy of Sciences:

"Dialogue and cooperation between faith and science are urgently needed for building a culture that respects people and the planet...Without faith and science informing each other "the great questions of humanity leave the domain of reason and truth, and are abandoned to the irrational, to myth, or to indifference, with great damage to humanity itself, to world peace and to our ultimate destiny."

If you are saying that the Bible is not true and any pope would agree with Hawkins that there is no God then things are worse than previously thought. I do not believe any denomination should be dabbling in such things, science cannot ever explain or replace required faith to find and serve God. So many have wavered on doctrine trying to adjust to current situations but God has not and does not change. The pope then and now are just mortal men and have the same limitations and problems as any other man. They live and die just like the rest. I am not Catholic and will take my personal experience and the written word of King David, King Solomon, Moses, and the apostles inspired of God. No one needs another to intercede with God for them. We pray directly to God and we receive our answers the same way. God called preachers to preach the gospel to the lost and when they are convicted of the sin of unbelief it is between them and God from that point. Others can pray for them but they have to find him on their own.

Hawkins can believe whatever he wants as I cannot and would not try to force anything I believe upon anyone but I will explain why I believe as I do. I will not sit by and let his opinion be perceived as fact at least not for me.

Hawkins has made an ill informed statement which he cannot prove that basically nullifies anyones belief in God and this was wrong. He may believe what he says but he has no proof and has no right to say this. He can say he believes it all he wants. It is hard to understand why the Vatican would associate with anyone so vile they would make such a statement.

Hawkins should have better spent his time trying to find a cure for his own ailment which would have benefitted many others. This would have required real research that could have been proven and carried a risk of failure rather than indulging in just his speculations which cannot be proven.

Psalms 14:1
King James Version of Psalms 14:1.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Please stop twisting subjects people are posting about out of context in order to insert your favorite subject into every thread.

Originally Posted by onslowe

Excellent post, CF France. Truthful and precise.

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I basically agree with this principle. The only problem with the if-you-don't-like-the-topic-then-don't-read-it approach is that some posters will try to turn any topic into a discussion of their pet topic.

I agree with the "if you don't like the topic, then don't read it" approach.
I also agree with PB's comment that this approach only works if posters do not deliberately change the topic of the thread.

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Thanks for saying it.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by tedquick;9***31

While I cannot provide a definitive answer to the two questions that VPL asked, if I understand what kitty is suggesting, and that being that man has blocked his “approachability” with denial or a heart that disallows God’s entreaties, then the result will be something other than God’s intended goal.

God’s freewill gift to us is both a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that we can choose faith or no faith. The curse is that we can choose faith or no faith. Two or more people, each having shared identical experiences, will rarely, due to filtering through their own personal histories, end up with indistinguishable conclusions; similar, perhaps, but rarely identical. Our freewill (and what a powerful and liberating gift [except for its simultaneous curse]) is perhaps one of the most valuable gifts that God has given to mortal man, second only to His Son which delivered, to us, Grace. We can choose. We can choose right or wrong. We can choose life or death. We can choose to have faith or not to have faith. We can choose to believe or not to believe. Or can we?

I believe in God. It is comforting to know that the Triune has been forever. It is comforting to know that the Triune will be forever. While I must admit that it is a challenge for me to comprehend, before the Big Bang, that there was no time and that there was nothing but an infinite singularity, there is some comfort in knowing that there was/is “something out there” that is greater than mankind. I believe that something to be God.

I am additionally pleased that it is not up to me to judge the belief of others nor is it up to me to judge the unbelief of others. I do think it is sad that the non-believers have no source or no anchor on which to lean when their worlds are falling apart. The opposite of that is also sad; to whom do they turn when they want to thank “someone” for the extraordinary lives that they may be living: or do they think that it is all of their own doing? (Sadly that used to be me. Gladly that used to be me).

Ted, you said it all, way long ago. People say here that they are hearing what the spirit says...
:-)))

[Sophie11]

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Keepingitreal has the wisdom -

I was looking for the elders of our country to speak the truth!

[Patty55]

I really would like answer to my original question on this topic. When you all quote the bible do you do it from memory or do you look it up? Not being snarky or sarcastic, I've found it amazing how you all just whip them out.

I was brought up Catholic, we keep it simple. It comes down to "Where is God? God is everywhere." Then you hook up the trailer and off you go.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Patty55

I really would like answer to my original question on this topic. When you all quote the bible do you do it from memory or do you look it up? Not being snarky or sarcastic, I've found it amazing how you all just whip them out.

I was brought up Catholic, we keep it simple. It comes down to "Where is God? God is everywhere." Then you hook up the trailer and off you go.

I usually know it by rote. Sometimes I look it up to share context not fully in memory.