[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Here is the link I used, it was updated 2 days ago, and the quote is from that page. No one has yet provided a link or reference to support the claim the vaccinated can not spread COVID.

Key Things to Know About COVID-19 Vaccines

If you wish to believe the negative, fine. It's a free country. Stay home, wear a mask and take plenty of showers. You will be fine, unless you can get it from the water.

Why is it so important for some folks to live their twilight years in misery and dread? I know folks that are afraid of buying meat, because they are afraid of contamination, veggies for the same reason. Yes, it happens from time to time, but that is no reason for living in a bomb shelter in a hazmat suit.

I am not afraid of Covid, because I know that I am living on bonus years. I also know that I cannot pick one number on the lottery that is a winner, so my luck at gambling is 100%. I can't get it. OK, maybe I can but there is not enough chance to make me worry about anything but taking the minimal precautions in order to protect those I care about. Yes, I got the shots. I wouldn't have if it was just me I had to worry about. But, I did and as far as I am concerned, I have no more chance of catching the virus than I did before, and if it gives me an added benefit of protection, fantastic.

You folks need to either get on with your lives and enjoy, or go pick out a coffin before the wood prices go too high.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

or how about:

CDC: '''Breakthrough rate''' of COVID-19 cases in fully-vaccinated people is 0.008%

You seem to find a lot of "sources", but only those that agree with your erroneous opinion :rotfl:

That was a news article that "interpreted" the CDC statements as of April. The article (your link) links to the CDC where they say this, along with a lot of other caveats.

"How to interpret these data

The number of COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC likely are an undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons. National surveillance relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data might not be complete or representative. These surveillance data are a snapshot and help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases.

Data on patients with vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died will be updated regularly. Studies are being conducted in multiple U.S. sites that will include information on all vaccine breakthrough infections regardless of clinical status to supplement the national surveillance."

Here is the actual CDC statement, and nowhere in it does it say people who have been fully vaccinated can not spread the virus.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC.

I am still waiting for a link or reference that makes that claim. I will concede that the odds are very low, but I have found nothing to support that it does not and can not happen.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

If you wish to believe the negative, fine. It's a free country. Stay home, wear a mask and take plenty of showers. You will be fine, unless you can get it from the water.

Why is it so important for some folks to live their twilight years in misery and dread? I know folks that are afraid of buying meat, because they are afraid of contamination, veggies for the same reason. Yes, it happens from time to time, but that is no reason for living in a bomb shelter in a hazmat suit.

I am not afraid of Covid, because I know that I am living on bonus years. I also know that I cannot pick one number on the lottery that is a winner, so my luck at gambling is 100%. I can't get it. OK, maybe I can but there is not enough chance to make me worry about anything but taking the minimal precautions in order to protect those I care about. Yes, I got the shots. I wouldn't have if it was just me I had to worry about. But, I did and as far as I am concerned, I have no more chance of catching the virus than I did before, and if it gives me an added benefit of protection, fantastic.

You folks need to either get on with your lives and enjoy, or go pick out a coffin before the wood prices go too high.

My concern is with the continued spread of misinformation. It has been from the very beginning ("it's no worse than the seasonal flu") and continues to today with variations on the vaccine is dangerous, the vaccine is perfect, masks don't work, people who are vaccinated can not get or spread the virus and on and on.

If you want to believe misinformation, that is your right. To spread misinformation that could lead to a person dying is not something I condone.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

That was a news article that "interpreted" the CDC statements as of April. The article (your link) links to the CDC where they say this, along with a lot of other caveats.

"How to interpret these data

The number of COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC likely are an undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons. National surveillance relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data might not be complete or representative. These surveillance data are a snapshot and help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases.

Data on patients with vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died will be updated regularly. Studies are being conducted in multiple U.S. sites that will include information on all vaccine breakthrough infections regardless of clinical status to supplement the national surveillance."

Here is the actual CDC statement, and nowhere in it does it say people who have been fully vaccinated can not spread the virus.

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC.

I am still waiting for a link or reference that makes that claim. I will concede that the odds are very low, but I have found nothing to support that it does not and can not happen.

Exactly. I never said it doesn't happen, I simply gave the incredibly low odds of it happening from the CDC. Numbers will change as time goes on, but it will still be an extremely effective vaccine even if the breakthrough rate goes up a hundred fold (0.008 to 0.8%, which it won't)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Exactly. I never said it doesn't happen, I simply gave the incredibly low odds of it happening from the CDC. Numbers will change as time goes on, but it will still be an extremely effective vaccine even if the breakthrough rate goes up a hundred fold (0.008 to 0.8%, which it won't)

Thank you, I don't recall who made the statement, but it is a recurring statement that if you are fully vaccinated you can not spread the virus.

I appreciate that your clarifying that it was not you.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Thank you, I don't recall who made the statement, but it is a recurring statement that if you are fully vaccinated you can not spread the virus.

I appreciate that your clarifying that it was not you.

If you are fully vaccinated, you WILL NOT spread the virus. That IS from so-called experts and/or professional medical personnel. If you inhale the virus, and you are immune, then it will DIE and you cannot transfer it to someone else. I am not a medical professional, but I do listen...........and I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.



So, you go ahead and wear your mask, thinking that you are infected and might give it to someone else. We all thank you and anyone else that is that considerate. Sorry, but not me. I am not infected and I am not going to wear the mask, period.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

If you are fully vaccinated, you WILL NOT spread the virus. That IS from so-called experts and/or professional medical personnel. If you inhale the virus, and you are immune, then it will DIE and you cannot transfer it to someone else. I am not a medical professional, but I do listen...........and I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.



So, you go ahead and wear your mask, thinking that you are infected and might give it to someone else. We all thank you and anyone else that is that considerate. Sorry, but not me. I am not infected and I am not going to wear the mask, period.

So, are you just ignoring me, or do you purposefully refuse to provide a link or reference? Or do you know there is no reference to support your claim that if you are vaccinated you can not spread the virus?

Seriously, you seem so certain and have repeatedly made the claim, and yet - no evidence.

I will be glad to publically apologize for questioning the accuracy of your statements if proven wrong, but t this point you appear to be intentionally spreading dangerous misinformation.

Please prove me wrong.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

HBO's Bill Mahar has tested positive for COVID at his weekly testing prior to taping this week's show.

Bill is fully vaccinated and is asymptomatic. He is expected to fully recover.

I guess this points out that vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing getting COVID, but are supposed to be close to 100% effective in preventing dying from it.

The vaccines are not only protective against death but are protective against moderate to severe symptoms of Covid. THAT was my one and only reason to get myself vaccinated. I can handle no or mild symptoms. It's the dying I didn't want to have to deal with. Glad I made the decision I did.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

He's most likely in the 5th percentile where the vaccine had no effect.

The vaccine has an effect in everyone who is vaccinated. The 5% is the percentage of people who experience breakthrough infection. Even those people are protected against mild to moderate symptoms of Covid and best yet, those people are protected from dying. Real life effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines have actually shown to be more protective than the efficacy in the trials. Win win for the vaccinated folks.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The vaccines are not only protective against death but are protective against moderate to severe symptoms of Covid. THAT was my one and only reason to get myself vaccinated. I can handle no or mild symptoms. It's the dying I didn't want to have to deal with. Glad I made the decision I did.

I agree with you completely.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

So, are you just ignoring me, or do you purposefully refuse to provide a link or reference? Or do you know there is no reference to support your claim that if you are vaccinated you can not spread the virus?

Seriously, you seem so certain and have repeatedly made the claim, and yet - no evidence.

I will be glad to publically apologize for questioning the accuracy of your statements if proven wrong, but t this point you appear to be intentionally spreading dangerous misinformation.

Please prove me wrong.

If you read my post, I said "you will NOT" transmit the virus to others. I did not say that you can't.

I should not need to provide any links, considering all the NEWS broadcasts lately with studies and evidence to support what I said. A couple thousand medical professionals were studied and it was found that 80% of them did not contract the virus from their patients, and the ones that did had mild symptoms and NONE of them passed it on. Of course, only 2% were older in age examples. That is just one example of a study that I read today. There are other studies. Passing on panic and encouraging hysteria is not helping. No one is saying that it is impossible to get infected or pass it on after being vaccinated. BUT, this is one of the best vaccines in our history. Heck the flu vaccination that so many rush to get every year only has a 30-60% efficacy in a good year.

I do not care if anyone else gets the vaccination or not. That is their personal choice, but arguing to convince yourself and possibly making a choice for someone else is not a smart thing to do. Whether or not the vaccine is long term effective, possibly harmful down the long road or just redundant will be proven by history. Some folks need a positive outlook for their future and anyone that is a downer for those folks, is doing a great disservice. If you have proof that the vaccine is harmful, a warning is prudent. If not, and you are just speculating with nothing to base your dire prediction upon, then you are possibly casing harm.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The vaccines are not only protective against death but are protective against moderate to severe symptoms of Covid. THAT was my one and only reason to get myself vaccinated. I can handle no or mild symptoms. It's the dying I didn't want to have to deal with. Glad I made the decision I did.

Also, add in the reduction of the potential to become a long hauler with neurological and physical impairment. (One of those impairments has recently been suggested to be impotence)

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

If you read my post, I said "you will NOT" transmit the virus to others. I did not say that you can't.

Without further information, it would seem to me that will not and can't are the same thing.

And on a public forum when a statement is made as fact, it is reasonable for someone who does not accept it as fact to request supporting evidence.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Also, add in the reduction of the potential to become a long hauler with neurological and physical impairment. (One of those impairments has recently been suggested to be impotence)

Sounds a bit like someone is really reaching to convince. Fear tactics? I doubt if suggesting "impotence" is going to scare seniors into changing their view on this.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Without further information, it would seem to me that will not and can't are the same thing.

And on a public forum when a statement is made as fact, it is reasonable for someone who does not accept it as fact to request supporting evidence.

Actually NO, it is incumbent on you to disprove my statement if you do NOT accept what I said. Of course, something that is based on current events should need no reinforcement, IF the disbeliever is staying up on their current events.