[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by EastCoastDawg

Yes, it is sad that the internet is littered with posts from oldies bemoaning the fact that kids of today can't find Kamchatka on a map, yet when our generation is asked to face up to an existential threat those self-same people are falling over themselves to deny the facts and belittle those who are taking it seriously just so that they don't have to change their lifestyles.

When did everything become an "existential threat"?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Didn't we just go around this tree a few days ago and the tread got locked.

I don't see anything new to discuss. The deniers continue to deny - base3d on their logic, and the beleivers continue to believe based on scientists that actually committed their lives to researching it.

And the wheels go round and round.

If the deniers are right and we clean up our kids will have a cleaner healthier world, if the climate change believers are right and we don't clean up, out kids may not have a livable world. Hmm. Let's go with the 80 year old experts with no degrees and no expereicen in the field. After what's the worst that can happen.

Same with the Covid threads, and the dog poop threads etc, etc, etc

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by wamley

Yes, but 1935 is exactly the time the earth had started to warm. LOL. Bye the way it was changed to climate change because the warming wasn't working fast enough.

Exactly????? 1935 was a little late to the party----the Earth (this time around) started to warm 20,000 years ago.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Can you provide a list of 1 or 2 people GETTING RICH?

That would be political and result in a "time out"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

To them all I can say is that I am also a "Santa Claus denier", an "Easter Bunny denier" and a "Tooth Fairy denier", but I am happy for those that wrap themselves in the belief of those fantasies as well.

Wait, what???

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Are the Martians also burning fossil fuel?????

Well, we DID land a Mars Rover there...

So I guess that's our fault, as well...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Are the Martians also burning fossil fuel?????

I blame Matt Damon...

[Stu from NYC]

The man from uncle is coming to save the day

[rsimpson]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

https://www.nationalacademies.org/ba...CAAEgKrQ_D_BwE

What bothers me is the logic of climate change deniers. They say that it is a pattern of centuries or something like that. But what happens to the people living decade to decade or year to year? We humans may all be dead by 2122 at the rate we are changing the earth now.

Lets' all agree with the terms Deniers and Sheep for the opposing sides. You can't label one opinion without a comperable name for the other side, right?

[fcgiii]

Originally Posted by dougawhite

Hardly anything is 'settled' in science, so always keep an open mind.

Science can disprove a theory but never completely prove one.

[fcgiii]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Show me that list of "14,000 scientists" who state explicitly that we have an emergency, or even state explicitly that climate change is due to man's activity. Good Luck. And then among those scientists who actually state that nonsense, how many are funded by government grants? Those climatologists who are either independent or recently retired tell a whole different story.

And once again, I'll ask:

2 researchers apply for a government grant

The first proposes a study with the intention of proving that climate change has nothing to do with human activity and requests $250,000

The second proposes a study that will show the world is in imminent danger due to fossil fuels and requests 50 million

I think we all know who will get the grant and who will be sent packing

Exactly. An most of these studies are computer models. Every 4 years the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) publishes a large report on the previous 4 years' studies. Most of these are from modelers who essentially state that their last study was wrong but this new one will be right and we are all going to die.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Please show me ANY climate change believers that have said they do not think the climate historically changes. NONE that I know of and I know a lot.

It is not all or nothing. Yes, the climate varies over time. What climate theory says it is going to be MUCH worse this time BECAUSE of human activity.

Climate deniers DENY that humans can cause any significant change.

True! And no matter what various people believe is causing it, climate scientists say that the next 30 years are going to be increasingly warmer. The oceans are getting warmer and are rising each year. 41% of all hurricanes that have hit the US have hit Florida. Probably because the shallow Gulf warms more than the deeper oceans. The Pacific coast has a cooler north-to-south flow of its ocean current. Atlantic has the opposite. So, more and stronger hurricanes will likely be in Florida's future.

Coastal living Floridians aware of this 30-year prediction are likely to slowly migrate to north central Florida. And many older ones will likely pick a location like The Villages. Full-time residents over 55 may start to prefer Georgia or the Carolinas due to the higher summer Florida heat.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

True! And no matter what various people believe is causing it, climate scientists say that the next 30 years are going to be increasingly warmer. The oceans are getting warmer and are rising each year. 41% of all hurricanes that have hit the US have hit Florida. Probably because the shallow Gulf warms more than the deeper oceans. The Pacific coast has a cooler north-to-south flow of its ocean current. Atlantic has the opposite. So, more and stronger hurricanes will likely be in Florida's future.

Coastal living Floridians aware of this 30-year prediction are likely to slowly migrate to north central Florida. And many older ones will likely pick a location like The Villages. Full-time residents over 55 may start to prefer Georgia or the Carolinas due to the higher summer Florida heat.

That could very well be your best post ever. Everything you said is correct, overall, we will continue to get warmer, not just for the next 30 years, but probably for the next 15-25,000 years. After that, break out your parkas and snowshoes. But kudos to you for not stating any of this has to do with human activity. I'm getting sick of posts that should start with "Once upon a time....."

[fcgiii]

Originally Posted by Mhope

Ya think that all the concrete, asphalt, big buildings, billions of people needing food, shelter, vehicles etc might just have an affect on warming???? Slow the expansion of people and problem solved

To show global climate change you need to be able to measure the temperature globally over time. The only actual direct temperature records from the past are those from the scientific outposts from the British Empire. These outposts only covered the British colonies and conspicuously missed most of the southern and western hemispheres. And they used physical Mercury thermometers if limited accuracy. And, to your point, many of these stations were originally out in the fields but now have been enveloped by urban sprawl. Thus these results get "corrected".

[Warcats]

Ice age kill the dinosaurs?? Your lack of scientific knowledge is stunning. And you list is inaccurate.

Six were in the years1919-1960, long before 'Climate Change" or "Global Warming" were today's hot topic. They just happened because conditions were right.

The top three as far as loss of life is concerned were in 1919, 1926 and 1928.

Most Intense Hurricanes In Florida’s History
(From worldatlas.com)
Rank System Season Estimated Casualties
1 "Labor Day" 1935 400
2 Michael 2018 74
3 Andrew 1992 65
4 "Florida Keys" 1919 600-900
5 "Okeechobee" 1928 2,500
6 "Great Miami" 1926 372–539
7 Donna 1960 438
8 Irma 2017 134
9 "Florida" 1948 13
10 Charley 2004 35

The warming of the earth has happened at least once before that we know of. I think they called it the "Ice Age" where the earth cooled to the point it covered most of the planet with a sheet of ice killing off the dinosaurs, etc. But then it warmed up again and the glaciers that covered the earth receded...and it wasn't because of "greenhouse gases". We are still in that warming cycle and there's not an electric car in the world that can change that.[/QUOTE]