[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Somehow there are some questions. Since there are thousands of the "common man" for every one of the "elites" how could that 99% of the world's people be killed off? Would the elites go on TV and say "common man" would you please kill yourself? And then without the "common man" around anymore, who would cut the "elites" grass and work in restaurants? The elites would have problems starting a lawnmower and they might put the gas where the oil goes. Inquiring minds see a conundrum here!

Robots?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You think objective information cannot be presented in a way that elicits emotion? Human beings are emotional creatures. Some more than others. I have often looked up at the night sky and felt a welling of emotion. I have hung over the edge of a reef and looked into the abyss and felt moved. It is not a brand new story that the reefs are dying, but it is getting more publicly. It is also known that human waste and pollution are a factor.

Climate change affects coral reefs and coral reefs affect climate change. Healthy reefs can keep the systems in balance. The problem is that the reefs have become unhealthy probably starting about 1950 and getting worse in the last 20 years. A quote from NASA......."Coral reef ecosystems play a vital role in maintaining biodiversity and are valuable as a source of food and MEDICAL advances". The world's coral reefs could decrease by 70 to 90% by 2050.
...... Today 90% of new coral growth in Australia's great barrier reef has collapsed mainly due to RISING OCEAN TEMPERATURES and increased acidity in the water (thus the term whitening or bleaching of the coral). Other causes are pollution, poor water quality, overfishing, and unsustainable coastal development (recently demonstrated by the Fort Meyers area and nearby barrier islands).
........Trees and plants absorb 25% of the world's CO2 - the rest is absorbed by the ocean. 25% of all sea organisms live
on coral reefs. People produce EXCESS CO2 by burning fossil fuel which leads to the bleaching and destruction of the coral reefs. The end product of this cycle would lead to the world's oceans being barren of FISH - thus a HUGE protein source is eliminated, which could ultimately lead to massive hunger and violence, and wars. Right now China has massive fishing fleets OVERFISHING all the oceans.

The bottom line is that coral reef destruction may NOT seem like any big deal to many people today, but as the earth and nature's forces go unbalanced - humanity becomes threatened .........by humanity itself!

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You think objective information cannot be presented in a way that elicits emotion? Human beings are emotional creatures. Some more than others. I have often looked up at the night sky and felt a welling of emotion. I have hung over the edge of a reef and looked into the abyss and felt moved. It is not a brand new story that the reefs are dying, but it is getting more publicly. It is also known that human waste and pollution are a factor.

somebody once told me it was chemicals from sunscreen that were contributing to the die off. makes me wonder what it does to my skin

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by PugMom

somebody once told me it was chemicals from sunscreen that were contributing to the die off. makes me wonder what it does to my skin

Well they all say it helps prevent skin cancer.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Climate change affects coral reefs and coral reefs affect climate change. Healthy reefs can keep the systems in balance. The problem is that the reefs have become unhealthy probably starting about 1950 and getting worse in the last 20 years. A quote from NASA......."Coral reef ecosystems play a vital role in maintaining biodiversity and are valuable as a source of food and MEDICAL advances". The world's coral reefs could decrease by 70 to 90% by 2050.
...... Today 90% of new coral growth in Australia's great barrier reef has collapsed mainly due to RISING OCEAN TEMPERATURES and increased acidity in the water (thus the term whitening or bleaching of the coral). Other causes are pollution, poor water quality, overfishing, and unsustainable coastal development (recently demonstrated by the Fort Meyers area and nearby barrier islands).
........Trees and plants absorb 25% of the world's CO2 - the rest is absorbed by the ocean. 25% of all sea organisms live
on coral reefs. People produce EXCESS CO2 by burning fossil fuel which leads to the bleaching and destruction of the coral reefs. The end product of this cycle would lead to the world's oceans being barren of FISH - thus a HUGE protein source is eliminated, which could ultimately lead to massive hunger and violence, and wars. Right now China has massive fishing fleets OVERFISHING all the oceans.

The bottom line is that coral reef destruction may NOT seem like any big deal to many people today, but as the earth and nature's forces go unbalanced - humanity becomes threatened .........by humanity itself!

🙏BRAVO!!! On the money.

[barlfair]

What if we save the environment and turns out global warming is a hoax?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by PugMom

somebody once told me it was chemicals from sunscreen that were contributing to the die off. makes me wonder what it does to my skin

It wasn't "somebody" who "once told me" that. Maui County in Hawaii has a ban that became affective October 1, on non-mineral sunscreens. It's illegal to buy, sell, or use them in Maui. Most of the resorts and retail businesses were 100% on board with the ban and had already transitioned before October 1. You can use titanium or zinc oxide sunscreens, and some of the beaches even have sunblock dispensers on boxes, similarly to how we have sanitizing gel dispensers in supermarket lobbies and doctors' offices now.

They had conducted several studies and it was proven that non-mineral sunscreen was absolutely contributing to the decay of the reefs, which was causing significant damage to the ecosystem. Plankton die, fish die, marine mammals die, birds die, people die. There are other causes of damage, including speedboats and other boat engines, general pollution, toxic waste dumping - in short, humans. We humans just can't leave well enough alone. If it's green, we need to chop it down. If it's a blue ocean, we need to pollute it. If it's ice, we must melt it. We are a destructive species.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by barlfair

What if we save the environment and turns out global warming is a hoax?

What if it is the the truth? Are you willing to risk it? People without kids or grand kids have little stake in the game. But those who do have children and grand children are gambling their future generations lives on this.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It wasn't "somebody" who "once told me" that. Maui County in Hawaii has a ban that became affective October 1, on non-mineral sunscreens. It's illegal to buy, sell, or use them in Maui. Most of the resorts and retail businesses were 100% on board with the ban and had already transitioned before October 1. You can use titanium or zinc oxide sunscreens, and some of the beaches even have sunblock dispensers on boxes, similarly to how we have sanitizing gel dispensers in supermarket lobbies and doctors' offices now.

They had conducted several studies and it was proven that non-mineral sunscreen was absolutely contributing to the decay of the reefs, which was causing significant damage to the ecosystem. Plankton die, fish die, marine mammals die, birds die, people die. There are other causes of damage, including speedboats and other boat engines, general pollution, toxic waste dumping - in short, humans. We humans just can't leave well enough alone. If it's green, we need to chop it down. If it's a blue ocean, we need to pollute it. If it's ice, we must melt it. We are a destructive species.

Good to hear/see people speaking out for Mother Earth and for the longevity of our species.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, 1/2 correct

The current ice age began about 4 million years ago, the dinosaurs disappeared about 60-65 million years ago, so no, the current ice age did not kill off the dinos. Whether it was nuclear winter after an asteroid collision or just the 10-degree cooling of the planet after the rise of the Rocky Mountains and Himalayan Plateau is debatable.

The "current global warming" began approximately 20,000 years ago after the peak of the last period of glaciation, and therefore IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY. I'm still at a loss to understand why some people have difficulty with that concept. It's simple---20,000 years of global warming with only about 130 years of internal combustion engines---DOH! Yep, let's all go out and buy an EV. And yet those true believers call those of us who understand astrophysics and paleoclimatology "deniers". Actually, it's just about the highest compliment that we can be paid. To them all I can say is that I am also a "Santa Claus denier", an "Easter Bunny denier" and a "Tooth Fairy denier", but I am happy for those that wrap themselves in the belief of those fantasies as well.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by B-flat

The elites don't want to save the climate, they want to save the world for themselves and eventually kill off the common man.

But who would be left to SERVE them, if they kill off the commoners?

Who would clean their toilets, chauffeur them around in their limos, cook and serve their tea and crumpets, polish their silver, bring their trash to the city dump, etc. etc. etc.

No, they need the common man. In fact, the elite wouldn't be capable of survival if the common man were eradicated. No one ever taught them how to be of any practical use. They need us plebians to do everything for them or they'd perish.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

But who would be left to SERVE them, if they kill off the commoners?

Who would clean their toilets, chauffeur them around in their limos, cook and serve their tea and crumpets, polish their silver, bring their trash to the city dump, etc. etc. etc.

No, they need the common man. In fact, the elite wouldn't be capable of survival if the common man were eradicated. No one ever taught them how to be of any practical use. They need us plebians to do everything for them or they'd perish.

True, but they don't need 7 billion of us.

Read the Georgia Guidestones---the first rule is "reduce the world's population to 500 million".
Who erected those megaliths? Nobody knows---possibly the freemasons, possibly the Bilderberg group or maybe just some eccentric millionaire. The reality is that there are those, usually old money, that actually resent the rest of us for "eating their food, drinking their water and breathing their air"

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

They are turbine blade "seeds"...

That's how they get new ones!

Doesn't work for batteries. I planted some batteries under my palm tree a while back. No new batteries, but the tree lights up when it gets dark. Go figure.😠

[sounding]

That is only true if you believe in altered and fabricated data ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs-K_tadveI

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

True, but they don't need 7 billion of us.

Read the Georgia Guidestones---the first rule is "reduce the world's population to 500 million".
Who erected those megaliths? Nobody knows---possibly the freemasons, possibly the Bilderberg group or maybe just some eccentric millionaire. The reality is that there are those, usually old money, that actually resent the rest of us for "eating their food, drinking their water and breathing their air"

Not that I agree with them, but you sound like you believe in the cancel culture.