[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The .gif is called a meme. The specific .gif is a snippet of a scene from Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones is/was a fantasy series, based on a book by George R. R. Martin of the same name.

The .gif is appropriately used to inject a touch of sarcastic, wry humor into the thread. The appropriate response would be to nod with a slight smirk on the corner of your lips.

I am not familiar with Game of Thrones. That is why I missed the humour. Thanks for the info.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

60 minutes had a story on it a few weeks ago and seem to be on the level but not an ecoscientist so not entirely sure if they were totally objective in this case.

Didn't see it so maybe it's true. And IF true, is it due to "climate change"? And IF due to climate change, is that due to human activity????

Since it was posted that the show elicited "an emotional response", I would speculate that it was definitely less than "objective", putting it more in the realm of propaganda, even if the core of the story is true.

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by Steve

But keep in mind, according to NASA's own study which was completed in 2000 but just recently released, human activity is NOT the cause of "Global Warming". According to NASA, the Earth's axis is shifting slightly AND the Earth's path around the sun is getting closer to the sun. Carbon emissions, according to NASA, are not the cause of "Global Warming" or "Climate Change".

NASA did not say this. Link below. The post you are referring to regarding Milankovitch cycles was debunked. Link below.

NASA Summary:

The greenhouse effect is essential to life on Earth, but human-made emissions in the atmosphere are trapping and slowing heat loss to space.

Five key greenhouse gases are CO2, nitrous oxide, methane, chlorofluorocarbons, and water vapor.

While the Sun has played a role in past climate changes, the evidence shows the current warming cannot be explained by the Sun.

Causes | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Fact check: NASA did not ‘admit man-made climate change is a hoax’ | Reuters

[sounding]

Stratospheric ozone is created by the summer sun, then it disappears during the winter when there is no sun at the poles. This cycle has been going on for millions of years. CFCs were never proven to affect stratospheric ozone, just like DDT was never proven to cause cancer, just like "man-made" CO2 was never proven to alter our climate, just like it has never been proven that witches caused the little ice age -- even though the little ice age ended after the successful killing of over 50,000 witches. Human ignorance is boundless.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by sounding

Stratospheric ozone is created by the summer sun, then it disappears during the winter when there is no sun at the poles. This cycle has been going on for millions of years. CFCs were never proven to affect stratospheric ozone, just like DDT was never proven to cause cancer, just like "man-made" CO2 was never proven to alter our climate, just like it has never been proven that witches caused the little ice age -- even though the little ice age ended after the successful killing of over 50,000 witches. Human ignorance is boundless.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just like blaming the current cycle of global warming (just one of dozens in the last 4 million years) on human activity

PS: For those whose Latin is rusty, it means "after this therefore because of this", and is the motto of all those with faulty cause-effect reasoning. Translation, just as the little ice age ended during the killing of 50,000 witches, there are those who blame cyclical global warming on the CO2 being released into the air. Neither has anything to do with the other. Funny thing----atmospheric levels of CO2 haven't really changed all that much, and are not even at a high of the last 100 years.

[sounding]

The mining of lithium and rare earth minerals is doing what to the earth? And why are we burying old wind turbine blades in the ground -- are they fertilizer?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by sounding

The mining of lithium and rare earth minerals is doing what to the earth? And why are we burying old wind turbine blades in the ground -- are they fertilizer?

No, but what comes out of the mouths of those advocating for it is definitely fertilizer

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by sounding

Stratospheric ozone is created by the summer sun, then it disappears during the winter when there is no sun at the poles. This cycle has been going on for millions of years. CFCs were never proven to affect stratospheric ozone, just like DDT was never proven to cause cancer, just like "man-made" CO2 was never proven to alter our climate, just like it has never been proven that witches caused the little ice age -- even though the little ice age ended after the successful killing of over 50,000 witches. Human ignorance is boundless.

50,000 were killed wow

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

9

Non omens qui coronas Reyes.
Not everyone is fluent in latin. Using it to give one the air of superiority does not mean one is actually superior.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

9

Non omens qui coronas Reyes.
Not everyone is fluent in latin. Using it to give one the air of superiority does not mean one is actually superior.

Hence the translation. If I wanted to act superior I would have just left it as is and not translate. If I wanted to act superior, I could have just strung together a bunch of 8 syllable words. I did neither.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Since it was posted that the show elicited "an emotional response", I would speculate that it was definitely less than "objective", putting it more in the realm of propaganda, even if the core of the story is true.

You think objective information cannot be presented in a way that elicits emotion? Human beings are emotional creatures. Some more than others. I have often looked up at the night sky and felt a welling of emotion. I have hung over the edge of a reef and looked into the abyss and felt moved. It is not a brand new story that the reefs are dying, but it is getting more publicly. It is also known that human waste and pollution are a factor.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You think objective information cannot be presented in a way that elicits emotion? Human beings are emotional creatures. Some more than others. I have often looked up at the night sky and felt a welling of emotion. I have hung over the edge of a reef and looked into the abyss and felt moved.

I think objective information can be presented and manipulated in such a way as to elicit the emotional response that the producer wants. I don't think anyone can deny that statement

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

It makes people sound intelligent even though 37% of the people stringing together latin words have no idea what the words mean.

Sorry. Non omens qui coronal Reyes = not all who wear crowns are kings.
It was my way of pointing out the not everyone who sounds like they know what they are talking about actually do.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by B-flat

The elites don't want to save the climate, they want to save the world for themselves and eventually kill off the common man.

Somehow there are some questions. Since there are thousands of the "common man" for every one of the "elites" how could that 99% of the world's people be killed off? Would the elites go on TV and say "common man" would you please kill yourself? And then without the "common man" around anymore, who would cut the "elites" grass and work in restaurants? The elites would have problems starting a lawnmower and they might put the gas where the oil goes. Inquiring minds see a conundrum here!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I think objective information can be presented and manipulated in such a way as to elicit the emotional response that the producer wants. I don't think anyone can deny that statement

"Can" is the word here that is the tripping point.
"Can be presented and manipulated" I agree with. The question is, was it? Maybe, maybe not.
"I don't think anyone Can deny that statement". Can deny any statement, correct or not. For example, next two statements.
1. Climate change is affected by human activities.
2. Climate change is not affected by human activities.
You Can choose to deny one, two, both or neither.
Personally, I believe that statement 1 is correct, so I deny statement 2.