[Wondering]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Will be interesting to see if there is a surge in imports from China in the next two months, with the likelihood of increased tariffs after that.

A bike tire I ordered on-line two weeks ago was sourced direct from China and arrived yesterday, and I suspect WalMart will have a larger number than usual of huge container ships heading our way.

Any legitimate economist or financial specialist has stated that tariff's only hurt consumers. Shows you how dumb the person who is pushing for them is in reality. I would be more concerned about the potential increase in produce, meats and dairy when there will be no immigrants to do the work!

[Joe C.]

Most of the manufacturing facilities in China are owned or partially owned and totally controlled and regulated by the Chinese government which is known as the Chinese Communist Party. The CCP employs slave labor, and much of the profit from all these factories is garnished by the military. That is why China now has the worlds largest Navy, and is building warships faster than any country in the world. Their ultimate goal is domination and control worldwide. They love American greed. The "what's in it for me?" attitude that permeates the masses. In the long run, if left unchecked, it will be our downfall.
Buy American when possible. If not, buy Mexican (it employs the Mexicans, and helps keep them south of the border). Otherwise if possible support any country that is an ally of the U.S.

[TheWarriors]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There are lots of things that people consume or purchase, that aren't made in the USA at all. And many of those things that ARE made in the USA, use components that are made in China.

Prices will be going up on just about everything other than LOCAL produce and meats. Why? Because trucks that deliver stuff to the supermarket are made with components that come from China.

In addition, the whole reason we all buy things from China instead of manufacturing here in the first place - is because no one here wants to work for the low wages needed to provide these products to us, for the same prices that we pay from Chinese imports. So we'll be looking at either a) a massive increase in prices for products newly-manufactured in the US to accommodate the pay, insurance, and other expenses involved in having American employees, or b) a massive drop in pay and massive increase in people who can no longer pay their bills.

It's just so myopic to assume that we'll be fine if we just buy from US manufacturers.

Ye, let’s import everything and put everyone out of a job! Funny, maybe tariffs are a way of bringing back some jobs to our Country and having Americans actually pay a little more to have less people on the unemployment line. If you’re not for helping fellow Americans, maybe our way of life doesn’t mean much to you. Just because I can get away with a little theft doesn’t mean I should.

[Rocksnap]

Most of us on here have been walking this planed for a long while.
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed a trend with many things we are being fed that’s just plain wrong.
Every 10 years, we go from global warming to global cooling. If we don’t ‘fix’ this, we are doomed and we all will die.
Well, sea levels have not moved, the global temperature is .4 degrees cooler over the last 2000 years, according to data that’s found in deep ice core samples.
Then there has been the shipping so many jobs to China and other places overseas. All by design. Stop believing the climate alarmists and start bringing back jobs. But that’s just me.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by rustyp

And greatly increase the price of goods to us. Then we will demand wage increases to keep even. Thus the inflation spiral will begin. When it comes it comes in on an express train.

maybe, but not if China reduces its price to keep undercutting the US prices, like they did last time. The chinese economy is not comparable to the US economy in any way shape or form. Don't confuse simple theory with reality outcomes

[HORNET]

But creat American jobs

[jimhoward]

Tariffs have never worked as intended. proponents hope that tariffs combined with tighter immigration will boost demand for US manufacturing labor and consequently wages and produce more jobs for us citizens. But it doesn’t work that way and it shouldn’t.
But we will see because increased tariffs are definitely coming.

[Cuervo]

I'm not sure what the real solution is but tariffs are not the answer. Most economist have stated that whatever tariff is place on a product it will be the consumer that will pay the price. The problem with America is we are economical society, all of us including myself are always looking for a bargain. We don't care where it's made and who is making it, even if it's children. I love our country, but in China they encourage their people to buy their own home-produced products doing so is considered civil pride. Maybe the government should start a campaign teaching the American people the benefits of purchasing what we make here, even if the price tag is a bit higher.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

Which is why we don't ever shop at Wally world. You also forgot Amazon which should be located in China......

As for price rises, not necessarily. You're missing the chain in that statement, a typical assumption is all that is.

Tell ya what. If you subsidize ME, I will join you in never shopping at Walmart again. I'll need around $4000/year in Publix gift cards, and $3000/year in a Visa card so I can buy my shirts, shorts, and Hanes for Hers underwear and socks in Kohl's. So call it $7000/year total. Let me know when to expect the check, I'm looking forward to waving at you in line at Publix.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by TheWarriors

Ye, let’s import everything and put everyone out of a job! Funny, maybe tariffs are a way of bringing back some jobs to our Country and having Americans actually pay a little more to have less people on the unemployment line. If you’re not for helping fellow Americans, maybe our way of life doesn’t mean much to you. Just because I can get away with a little theft doesn’t mean I should.

Then do as I asked from midwiz who had the same sentiment. Help ME so I can afford to pay a premium for the same stuff I get now for less. If you send me a check, I'll stop buying imports if I can find the same or better quality in the states for more.

My socks are made in the USA, but I'm pretty sure my underwear is made in Vietnam. Both are made by Hanes. I wait until they're on sale and stock up. Some of my shirts are made in India. Some in Vietnam. Most, I believe, are made in China. I can't afford to buy the clothing manufactured by American companies in America. The cheapest shirt I found among a "complete" (not really) list of American-made product manufacturers was $50. I pay $8 for my teeshirts at Walmart, and $24 for my "nice" shirts on Amazon. My Skechers shorts and skorts are made in Indonesia and China, and again - I wait til I find what I like on clearance and pay around $20 each. Or, I do without.

I finally found a pair of sneakers that don't make my neuroma act up and are slip-resistant and incredibly comfortable, at a price-point I can afford once every 2 years. They're made in China.

So. Find me all of these things, made in the USA, for the same price at the same or better quality. OR, send me money so I can afford to pay the premium to buy American.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Any legitimate economist or financial specialist has stated that tariff's only hurt consumers. Shows you how dumb the person who is pushing for them is in reality. I would be more concerned about the potential increase in produce, meats and dairy when there will be no immigrants to do the work!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

I'm not sure what the real solution is but tariffs are not the answer. Most economist have stated that whatever tariff is place on a product it will be the consumer that will pay the price. The problem with America is we are economical society, all of us including myself are always looking for a bargain. We don't care where it's made and who is making it, even if it's children. I love our country, but in China they encourage their people to buy their own home-produced products doing so is considered civil pride. Maybe the government should start a campaign teaching the American people the benefits of purchasing what we make here, even if the price tag is a bit higher.

Not everyone can AFFORD the higher price.

[Cuervo]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not everyone can AFFORD the higher price.

I understand your concern, but if we focus more on buying our own products unemployment will drop across the board and wages will rise. Today a person buys a product manufactured from a foreign country, that means one less American employee and that also means one less shopper to purchase whatever your employer is selling. Buying American products is a win, win, situation for everyone. Tariffs will end up with prices going up anyway and if you remember the last time we went down this road China retaliated and started importing soybeans from South America hurting U.S. farmers.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

I understand your concern, but if we focus more on buying our own products unemployment will drop across the board and wages will rise. Today a person buys a product manufactured from a foreign country, that means one less American employee and that also means one less shopper to purchase whatever your employer is selling. Buying American products is a win, win, situation for everyone. Tariffs will end up with prices going up anyway and if you remember the last time we went down this road China retaliated and started importing soybeans from South America hurting U.S. farmers.

Once again. Send me money so I can afford to buy the higher-priced American-made version of whatever I get for less from a Chinese-made product of similar quality.

I'm glad there are American companies that make sneakers for Americans, like New Balance. However - none of their styles are suitable for my feet. So even if I could get them for less than I pay for my Merrel's, I won't buy them. The Merrels are made in China. They're $85. They fit me perfectly, comfortably, don't weigh a ton, look decent with almost everything I wear, and have a wide enough toe box that I don't suffer after walking around for an hour. Find me the same made in America for $85 or less, and I will buy it.

Til then, I guess someone in the USA will have to flip burgers instead of making sneakers. Or maybe get some training and learn to do something more rewarding than making sneakers for a living.

[ThirdOfFive]

Might be painful for some in the short run, but I agree with Post #6. Much ado about not much. Whatever tariffs are imposed, will be targeted. The sky will NOT fall.

Looking long-term, this only Strengthens America. America won WW 2 for the allies, much as it pains our European friends to admit it. But we didn't win it on the battlefield. Many Axis forces were better-trained, better led, and (at the beginning of the war, anyway) better equipped. But we were in the war economically for about two years before we were ever in it militarily. I forget the lend-lease numbers but translated into today's dollars, they were astronomical. Not just military hardware but things like food, medical supplies, etc. went to the allies in vast amounts long before Dec. 8, 1941. When we did enter the battle we did so with an overwhelming economic powerhouse back home churning out guns, aircraft, tanks, ships, etc. at an incredible rate. I forget the liberty ship numbers but we were cranking them out faster than we could fill them. as far as military equipment went, my numbers might be a bit off but they do indicate the big picture. Aircraft carriers: at the beginning of the war we had very few if any. Japan had four major ones. At the end of the was the carrier war was Japan 0. America over 100! The same for the european theater: The Sherman tanks were pretty easy targets for the Axis, particularly towards the end of things with their Tiger and King Tiger tanks. But our numbers were overwhelming. No matter how fast the axis destroyed them, they just kept coming in ever-increasing numbers.

The point is this. Could we, with so much of our manufacturing done overseas (and a lot by potential enemies) rise to the occasion if necessary, as we did in WW 2? I doubt it.