[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Maker

So if alligators never are a danger to attack, perhaps you might want to watch a replay of On Patrol Live from Sat 3/4
In Daytona Beach, a man came out of his house and there was an alligator on his porch. The man had no reason to do such a "foolish thing". He was bit bad enough to need to go to a hospital. Lucky to be alive because the alligator was likely startled. Had it been looking for a human meal, the guy would be dead.
Police called a trapper and the alligator was shot dead on live television. The reason - they are a danger to people.

But... Only stupid people have to worry? It never happens? Irrational fear?
Sure... keep saying that.

Daytona beach…….

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

What exactly is The Villages doing to keep everyone safe from gator attacks? Seems like nothing to me if gators can arrive at your front door and can sun themselves in full view of anyone who can see.

I lived in a master planned community in south Florida for several years and our home was on a very large man made lake which was part of the water management system. There were zero gators in our lakes/ponds because the pipes had large grates to keep gators out. I lived in the community for 11 years (five years on that beautiful lake) and never saw one gator. It can be done.

Are they (gators) really that bad in Mallory?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Maker

Maybe you should move to a swamp. You wold see lots of alligators. Then the rest of us can make our homes safer here for us, our family, and visitors.
Nobody expects to step onto their porch and have an alligator hiding there. It never happened to him before, and listening to your excuses, he was stupid, foolish, and should have known better. Hogwash. That's the exact type of way accidents happen - when a combination of conditions come together exactly right... dark, location, timing, something unexpected, past history, alertness, distractions.

We cannot do anything other than remove the gators here that would be as effective preventing an attack or killing.

I have yet to hear an articulated reason why it is SAFER to leave alligators as is, instead of removing them (here, in TV). State the reason why removing them would be less safe. How leaving them reduces the possibility of an attack. Oh, you can't; that's why.

Removing them reduces, or eliminates, the risk of an attack. No matter what actions a person, child, pet, or uneducated visitor takes. That is what humans do - make things safer for everyone's greater good.
It's wonderful that you are a brilliant person that has never had any accidents happen throughout your life. Not all are as fortunate. If you did have an accident, perhaps in a car, or with a saw, or a knife, or a broken bone... wouldn't it be better if something was done before that happened to completely prevent it?

Just discuss ALLIGATORS. Not interested in deflections to bugs, cars, dogs, etc. Not my "fears" lol or needs. Not blaming "stupid" people. Not telling people to move. Not fires, ladders, or <<anything>> else.

Did realize there are gators when you decided to come to Florida 10 months ago?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

They don’t always stay in the water!

A Florida homeowner opened his front door. He was bitten by an alligator.

So many of these instances happen every day ???……….Florida is a big place. How many have there been?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Normal

I’ll put money down that more Villagers have died of natural causes than alligator attacks. Let me enjoy the views of nature that may include alligators. You can move back where you came from.

There's a gator farm within a short drive from the Villages. Alligators should be removed, if not destroyed from the Villages for HUMAN's protection. These are "bees" or other diversions from the subject. They are a hazard that is NOT necessary to our environment here in the Villages. If the idea of coming to the Villages is to view 'gators, then just keep on going South to a gator farm or zoo. We are not going to cause the extinction of these reptiles by removing them to another location of even destroying the small population here. If these reptiles are so important then we should ban golf from areas where they might reside. After all, we don't want to disturb them, do we?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

So many of these instances happen every day ???……….Florida is a big place. How many have there been?

One is too many.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Spanish Lakes Fairways has removed four alligators from the retention pond where a woman was killed by an alligator earlier this week.

I called The Villages when I first got here and reported an alligator that was in a nearby retention pond. They said that they won't do anything unless it attacks either a person or an animal. So apparently, they get one attack or kill before anyone does anything about them.

Predators are cleared from lake near retirement community after woman savaged to death by reptile | Daily Mail Online

Hey, the gators were here first.

Darwin’s Theory is in place for those who knows that gators are in the ponds but still feel they have to walk close to them.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The woman was 85 according to reports, not 95. Details matter.

OK, you don't want to talk about the absence of alligator deaths in the Villages, so how about some reports of near misses in the Villages? List a few of those near misses, and make sure they didn't happen when someone wandered OFF the pathway and towards the water's edge.

In the one interview I heard with a neighbor of the 85yo, the neighbor couldn't understand why the woman would walk her dog near the water like that. I didn't hear anyone say it would never happen. But if you did, please post a link.

"Another incident?" In the Villages it will be the FIRST incident.

It WILL happen again. Someone WILL choose to go into or near alligator-infested waters and the alligator will do what alligators do. it will have been 100% avoidable if the HUMAN had made a different choice.

Put some thought into it and be honest: You want to kill the alligators because of your irrational fear of them.

"Irrational fear???" They are consistently seen crossing or stopped next to walking paths in the Villages. There is at least one that has been seen several times, perhaps many times running from the pond to one of the greens on one of the golf courses. They have been seen sitting in front of entrances to homes....HERE. Why should humans have to "avoid" them? We are here and we shouldn't have to "avoid" them when they are a dangerous form of wildlife infringing on our environment. There is no reasonable need to have them here. Coyotes either. So, for those that are feeding them next to the golf course (guilty ones know what I am speaking of) stop feeding the wildlife.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

So many of these instances happen every day ???……….Florida is a big place. How many have there been?

Thankfully, they are very rare. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to prevent them. Before I retired, I worked in risk management - which is trying to shut the door before the horse escapes.

If you were legally responsible for an alligator attack in the Villages, would you keep them here? Or would you remove them?

And they don’t have to be killed - the Everglades is a more suitable place for alligators. They could be transported down there. It is a long walk back - and they have short legs.

[Rainger99]

If pythons migrate to the Villages, what should we do? Get rid of them or coexist?


Python invasion has exploded out of the Everglades and into nearly all of southern Florida, new map shows

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

If pythons migrate to the Villages, what should we do? Get rid of them or coexist?


Python invasion has exploded out of the Everglades and into nearly all of southern Florida, new map shows

Pythons, like wild hogs are an invasive species. They should be eliminated. Alligators on the other hand were here long before we were. Just because you moved in doesn’t mean they should have to move out. If you don’t like them or are afraid of them you should have picked someplace different to live.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

So many of these instances happen every day ???……….Florida is a big place. How many have there been?

I posted the stats... Ridiculously rare...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

"Irrational fear???" They are consistently seen crossing or stopped next to walking paths in the Villages. Their is at least one that has been seen several times, perhaps many times running from the pond to one of the greens on one of the golf courses. They have been seen sitting in front of entrances to homes....HERE. Why should humans have to "avoid" them? We are here and we shouldn't have to "avoid" them when they are a dangerous form of wildlife infringing on our environment. There is no reasonable need to have them here. Coyotes either. So, for those that are feeding them next to the golf course (guilty ones know what I am speaking of) stop feeding the wildlife.

I had a Bobcat walk up my driveway to my front door a few months ago. Caught it on my security camera...

I DEMAND all Bobcats be removed from TV! It's the ONLY prudent thing to do!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Thankfully, they are very rare. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to prevent them. Before I retired, I worked in risk management - which is trying to shut the door before the horse escapes.

If you were legally responsible for an alligator attack in the Villages, would you keep them here? Or would you remove them?

And they don’t have to be killed - the Everglades is a more suitable place for alligators. They could be transported down there. It is a long walk back - and they have short legs.

You do realize that TV is FULL of wetland, lakes etc, that are chuck full of alligators, don't you?

We could remove every last one in TV and they would be back in a matter of months.

[spinner1001]

No one can possibly eliminate pythons from large areas of Florida.
No one can possibly eliminate alligators from large areas of Florida.
Nature wins over the humans here.
The state government will not allow all alligators to be removed from large areas of Florida.
QED.

Gators and pythons are here to stay. Saying anything to the contrary is beer talk.