[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by JGVillages

It will be a long time, if ever, that our Congress doe anything useful to punish China for unleashing this Virus on us and the world. What Congress should to do, along with the Food & Drug Administration is mandate that ALL products (ie:clothing, food, prescriptions, et all) are labeled with a large easy to find word or symbol that gives us the ability to choose what we purchase intelligently and immediately. Most often when products are ordered online there is no way to determine where the product is made and in many cases that it will ship from "the slow boat from China". My wife and I have been attempting to find the origin of products, not often easy or even possible, when purchasing in store or online. It is time for a serious American grass roots effort to put Communist China on the back burner. I know it is far cheaper to purchase most comparable Chinese to American made products, so for those who cannot afford to buy American made that is understandable and should be their choice. For myself I am on a new mission to buy NON CHINEESE PRODUCTS and I hope that our regulators will make our freedom to choose, by easier and mandated "where products are manufactured" identification. That also includes products assembled here, but consist of Chinese components. "We the People can get this done!!"

I agree with your post. But, you can buy almost everything on Amazon.com. And, you can search their website by typing in "made in USA". However, I don't think that you will be able to live a very good life by buying only the products that appear on that search. Almost everything has components made in China or some other foreign country. I think the U.S. consumers have been conditioned to always seek out the least expensive products. That seems to be the message contained in most advertising. Asking consumers to pay more for a product because it is made in the USA would be a culture change of monumental proportions. Just my opinion.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

What I find incredulous, are the number of people (including those at the very top) who seem to be clueless... as to how tariff's actually work.

If an American importer buys widgets from China at $1 each, but then a tariff of 25% is put on them...it now costs the AMERICAN IMPORTER $1.25 for each widget.

NOT China.

Now the importer has to make one of the following decisions.

1. Eat the increase and sell widgets at the normal price...with the associated reduction in "profit" (selling price minus purchased price, plus overhead of course)
2. Increase widget price a little, to recoup SOME of the tariff they've paid to the U.S. government...while their business absorbs the rest.
3. Pass on all of the cost to American consumers.

Please note that NONE of the importer's choices, has China paying anything...to the U.S. Government.

NOTHING.

In choice #2 & #3, it is the U.S. consumer paying for at least part of the tariff.

Why do so many...not understand this?

IMO What it does is somewhat even the playing field for other sources that don’t have near slave labor and NO worries of government environmental protection. IMO China has the most polluted cities in the world.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

POTUS has told us that China has been very transparent. Don’t blame them for an act of God!

And you know this for sure? Right——- I see you point of view.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

If you've EVER purchased ANYTHING made in a foreign country because it was less expensive, to find the culprit of the situation you describe you only need to do one thing...go look in the mirror.

Yeah, yeah, but you're either missing the point or simply failing to address what the poster was getting at

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

My common sense is making me think that it is preposterous to think a country would launch a pandemic that harmed its own people.

I wouldn't be surprised if a repressive totalitarian regime such as the CCP found it acceptable to "sacrifice" a few thousand of their citizens in order to achieve a bigger goal.

Not convinced though that this is biological warfare.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

POTUS has told us that China has been very transparent. Don’t blame them for an act of God!

Let's try to leave politics out of it for a change ... I know it's tempting.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Put a super large tariff on every item imported to the US from China. This way we punish China by putting a severe hurt on their economy. The second benefit is China via the tariff money windfall they give us will pay back the trillions our government had to invest in stimulus to keep our economy from collapse. The third benefit will be a huge step gained for us towards self sufficiency. That is how it works I've been told.

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Just put Hugh important tax on companies/ CEOs that sold out to China for near slave labor. Add Mexico to list also.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Gracie, respectfully, you are uninformed. As has been reported in US media, US intelligence agencies are 100% CERTAIN this virus originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

I'll bite. Can you please supply me with a link to a statement that supports your "100% certain" claim. I think you are confusing your certainty with the US intelligence agencies. Those same agencies that of course had uniform conclusions about recent events and were derided with the term "deep state" to imply they had a political agenda rather than fact seeking. So, please, those links to support your statement.

us intelligence agencies origin of covid wuhan lab - Google Search

Wow, the pro-administration OAN network has told its viewers that the virus was made in North Carolina with the help of Dr. Fauci and exported to China to hurt the administration. I do wish all the conspiracy theorists would come to some agreement.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

What I find incredulous, are the number of people (including those at the very top) who seem to be clueless... as to how tariff's actually work.

If an American importer buys widgets from China at $1 each, but then a tariff of 25% is put on them...it now costs the AMERICAN IMPORTER $1.25 for each widget.

NOT China.

Now the importer has to make one of the following decisions.

1. Eat the increase and sell widgets at the normal price...with the associated reduction in "profit" (selling price minus purchased price, plus overhead of course)
2. Increase widget price a little, to recoup SOME of the tariff they've paid to the U.S. government...while their business absorbs the rest.
3. Pass on all of the cost to American consumers.

Please note that NONE of the importer's choices, has China paying anything...to the U.S. Government.

NOTHING.

In choice #2 & #3, it is the U.S. consumer paying for at least part of the tariff.

Why do so many...not understand this?

It's easy to understand. The costs are always passed on to the consumer. But that's the real goal. To make Chinese products more expensive for the consumer so they'll try to source their products elsewhere.

To say China pays nothing is not really true. They will pay in lost sales if people can find their products from someone else cheaper. Whether we can actually find our products elsewhere is the catch right now. But even if the manufacturing doesn't come back to the U.S., Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, et al, are more than happy to step into the marketplace. If we add enough cost to Chinese manufactured goods to make the other countries competitive production will shift.

[GoodLife]

Why did China refuse help of CDC and WHO?

Why did they kick out journalists?

Why did they silence or disappear several Doctors in Wuhan?

It's a mystery!

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Why did China refuse help of CDC and WHO?

Why did they kick out journalists?

Why did they silence or disappear several Doctors in Wuhan?

It's a mystery!

It's a typical cover up of something bad. Happens all the time. Not just in China.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

It's a typical cover up of something bad. Happens all the time. Not just in China.

Agreed, all governments do it. All people do it in some form or another.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by blueash

I'll bite. Can you please supply me with a link to a statement that supports your "100% certain" claim. I think you are confusing your certainty with the US intelligence agencies. Those same agencies that of course had uniform conclusions about recent events and were derided with the term "deep state" to imply they had a political agenda rather than fact seeking. So, please, those links to support your statement.

us intelligence agencies origin of covid wuhan lab - Google Search

Wow, the pro-administration OAN network has told its viewers that the virus was made in North Carolina with the help of Dr. Fauci and exported to China to hurt the administration. I do wish all the conspiracy theorists would come to some agreement.

Reported on Fox News TV newscast... prior to issuing a written report, sources will often speak anonymously about its contents which is what Fox News reported as a "Breaking Story."

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Reported on Fox News TV newscast... prior to issuing a written report, sources will often speak anonymously about its contents which is what Fox News reported as a "Breaking Story."

THAT is your valid link?

I hope that we will live to see this clearly settled.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Put a super large tariff on every item imported to the US from China. This way we punish China by putting a severe hurt on their economy. The second benefit is China via the tariff money windfall they give us will pay back the trillions our government had to invest in stimulus to keep our economy from collapse. The third benefit will be a huge step gained for us towards self sufficiency. That is how it works I've been told.

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The sad thing is there are some people who honestly think that's how tariffs work.

[spoiler alert]
Tariffs on items imported from China is paid for by the people BUYING the products, not selling them. That means the USA pays the tariffs. Not China.