[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I am sure you are right and correct.

We label folks by their heritage, their religion, their dress, the color of their skin, even their status of income, their views of the world and make a general and almost always wrong decision on who they are.

"It's important to recognize that the people we label as "black," "white," "rich," poor," smart," and "simple," seem blacker, whiter, richer, poorer, smarter, and simpler merely because we've labeled them so. "

Why It's Dangerous to Label People | Psychology Today

Fear of these groups are then able to be used to unite for a common hate or cause.

Excellent link.

It's a shame that so many who need to read it...won't.

Just as they should read about Jane Elliott's very eye-opening (a little intended pun there )... and important work.

Blue Eyes-Brown Eyes (poke here)

And I have to admit, that I personally take some pride engendering hate and fear toward me...from the intolerant.

[Bucco]

Interesting to me is a thread based on "Christian Humanities" has been fraught with accusations of other posters "talking down" by quoting and linking to other sites discussing this subject, or related.

Makes you wonder if frequent posters ever read or understand some of the links provided, or just post based on some other judgement they have.

Also, makes one wonder if all minds are now closed, and unable to listen or "see".

Why there is no discussion of actual humanities, or labeling of other human beings sort of defies the imagination, yet posters feel they are being talked down to. I think folks should go back to post 1 and continue through all links that have been provided before posting on here. If you feel "guilty", or offended, as we all should at certain points in reading about human frailties and labeling, then perhaps post yourfeelings about that.

INTOLERANCE......unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Interesting to me is a thread based on "Christian Humanities" has been fraught with accusations of other posters "talking down" by quoting and linking to other sites discussing this subject, or related.

Makes you wonder if frequent posters ever read or understand some of the links provided, or just post based on some other judgement they have.

Also, makes one wonder if all minds are now closed, and unable to listen or "see".

Why there is no discussion of actual humanities, or labeling of other human beings sort of defies the imagination, yet posters feel they are being talked down to. I think folks should go back to post 1 and continue through all links that have been provided before posting on here. If you feel "guilty", or offended, as we all should at certain points in reading about human frailties and labeling, then perhaps post yourfeelings about that.

INTOLERANCE......unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

And just to add:

Definition of a "Humanist" (poke here)

-a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.
-a person devoted to or versed in the humanities.
-a student of human nature or affairs.
-a classical scholar.

How in the world could anyone...be against that?

[graciegirl]

I am so glad to know on this Forum and throughout these Villages, this country and this world, so many kind humans. So many caring homosapiens, so many witty primates.

I am happy about the interchanges and support and bear hugs from male and female people.

I look all around me and mostly see ungrumpy and hopeful and extremely savvy folks with fewer years ahead of them then those that are left behind.

And I, like them, am grateful for this day.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am so glad to know on this Forum and throughout these Villages, this country and this world, so many kind humans. So many caring homosapiens, so many witty primates.

I am happy about the interchanges and support and bear hugs from male and female people.

I look all around me and mostly see ungrumpy and hopeful and extremely savvy folks with fewer years ahead of them then those that are left behind.

And I, like them, am grateful for this day.

Not sure I understand what this seemingly.........well, post has to do with the subject.

What do you think of the readings on christian humanists, labeling of other human beings or intolerance ?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by fw102807

Thank you for toning it down. This is much easier to agree with.

Hoping you read the link(s) and contribute to the discussion. My frustration is folks who refuse to acknowledge a thread and the links provided because it is somehow contradictory to what you think...

I have been deleted on this thread and others simply for asking people to read, instead of preach and judge me. In that we seem to agree.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I have been deleted on this thread and others simply for asking people to read, instead of preach and judge me. In that we seem to agree.

It works both ways. I was the one who provided the link to the humanist church and commented against labeling. You paint with a wide brush.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why not? We're telling people that they can decide what sex they are. Soon there will not be actual definitions of anything.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by fw102807

It works both ways. I was the one who provided the link to the humanist church and commented against labeling. You paint with a wide brush.

I do not recall exactly what I posted...it was deleted because of a complaint, but as I recall it was basically how I see LABELING being used today.......pick a group....label it.....begin to accuse that group of whatever, and use that basis to gather folks in fear.

THAT is exactly the world we live in today, and I could furnish many many, examples of that but it would get deleted.

Point is....how can everyone in my country decide at one time to hate another group based on skin color, religion, or ethnicity....it is totally impossible, yet folks on both sides of the aisle seem to live on that.

Hard to discuss because everyone feels it is somehow aimed at their group......it is todays human behavior and is wrong...totally wrong. When a movement or group is based on that kind of fear, it is based on nothing and that goes for everyone, myself included.

Those I fear are feared because of facts and truth..nothing else, and in no case do I have a fear of a large group of anybody. THUS, I try very hard to paint with a wide brush.....can only deal with today and what is happening......or we will have a discussion of the past, not the present.

i know folks are running to report this post and I find that as sad......I tried to be as diplomatic as possible, but some take this personally instead of its true meaning which is a reflection of our society. I choose not to follow the fear, but instead follow truth and facts, and that come across to some as preachy but help me with other words to use.

As an example....when I was young....40's and 50's I grew up in what I would best describe as an intolerant home. Two groups talked about always were blacks and jews. It was always a label assigned and thus fear them.

I lucked out in meeting through sports a number of blacks and Jews who were better people than most in all ways. I found them to be more trustworhy and honest than others. Later in the NAVY and WASHDC to work that was reinforced as was the fear and loathing for both groups.......that stuck with me...ignorance led folks to make such stupid decisions and that hate seemed to be the "glue" that brought some groups together thus I am sensitive to any group founded on fear or hate.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I do not recall exactly what I posted...it was deleted because of a complaint, but as I recall it was basically how I see LABELING being used today.......pick a group....label it.....begin to accuse that group of whatever, and use that basis to gather folks in fear.

THAT is exactly the world we live in today, and I could furnish many many, examples of that but it would get deleted.

Point is....how can everyone in my country decide at one time to hate another group based on skin color, religion, or ethnicity....it is totally impossible, yet folks on both sides of the aisle seem to live on that.

Hard to discuss because everyone feels it is somehow aimed at their group......it is todays human behavior and is wrong...totally wrong. When a movement or group is based on that kind of fear, it is based on nothing and that goes for everyone, myself included.

Those I fear are feared because of facts and truth..nothing else, and in no case do I have a fear of a large group of anybody. THUS, I try very hard to paint with a wide brush.....can only deal with today and what is happening......or we will have a discussion of the past, not the present.

i know folks are running to report this post and I find that as sad......I tried to be as diplomatic as possible, but some take this personally instead of its true meaning which is a reflection of our society. I choose not to follow the fear, but instead follow truth and facts, and that come across to some as preachy but help me with other words to use.

As an example....when I was young....40's and 50's I grew up in what I would best describe as an intolerant home. Two groups talked about always were blacks and jews. It was always a label assigned and thus fear them.

I lucked out in meeting through sports a number of blacks and Jews who were better people than most in all ways. I found them to be more trustworhy and honest than others. Later in the NAVY and WASHDC to work that was reinforced as was the fear and loathing for both groups.......that stuck with me...ignorance led folks to make such stupid decisions and that hate seemed to be the "glue" that brought some groups together thus I am sensitive to any group founded on fear or hate.

I think that there are more people that agree with you and are very tolerant and decent than the ones who are bigots so it is wrong to say everyone is guilty of this. The sad thing is that those who are truly biased are not going to change by anything you post.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I do not recall exactly what I posted...it was deleted because of a complaint, but as I recall it was basically how I see LABELING being used today.......pick a group....label it.....begin to accuse that group of whatever, and use that basis to gather folks in fear.

THAT is exactly the world we live in today, and I could furnish many many, examples of that but it would get deleted.

Point is....how can everyone in my country decide at one time to hate another group based on skin color, religion, or ethnicity....it is totally impossible, yet folks on both sides of the aisle seem to live on that.

Hard to discuss because everyone feels it is somehow aimed at their group......it is todays human behavior and is wrong...totally wrong. When a movement or group is based on that kind of fear, it is based on nothing and that goes for everyone, myself included.

Those I fear are feared because of facts and truth..nothing else, and in no case do I have a fear of a large group of anybody. THUS, I try very hard to paint with a wide brush.....can only deal with today and what is happening......or we will have a discussion of the past, not the present.

i know folks are running to report this post and I find that as sad......I tried to be as diplomatic as possible, but some take this personally instead of its true meaning which is a reflection of our society. I choose not to follow the fear, but instead follow truth and facts, and that come across to some as preachy but help me with other words to use.

As an example....when I was young....40's and 50's I grew up in what I would best describe as an intolerant home. Two groups talked about always were blacks and jews. It was always a label assigned and thus fear them.

I lucked out in meeting through sports a number of blacks and Jews who were better people than most in all ways. I found them to be more trustworhy and honest than others. Later in the NAVY and WASHDC to work that was reinforced as was the fear and loathing for both groups.......that stuck with me...ignorance led folks to make such stupid decisions and that hate seemed to be the "glue" that brought some groups together thus I am sensitive to any group founded on fear or hate.

Excellent post!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Why not? We're telling people that they can decide what sex they are. Soon there will not be actual definitions of anything.

I disagree, as that is IMHO...really painting with a broad brush. .

As one, out of a plethora of examples, is that 'cults/cultists/cultism'...will always have an actual/specific definition.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I disagree, as that is IMHO...really painting with a broad brush. .

As one, out of a plethora of examples, is that 'cults/cultists/cultism'...will always have an actual/specific definition.

Yes, there is a difference between a label and a definition

[JimJohnson]

We have millions of Americans that practice the humanist way of living. You cannot be a devout Christian and practice humanism. The Bible, God’s word and Jesus Christ clearly and firmly tell us this fact. Don’t allow evil to change your mind on this topic if you are a serious Christian.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

We have millions of Americans that practice the humanist way of living. You cannot be a devout Christian and practice humanism. The Bible, God’s word and Jesus Christ clearly and firmly tell us this fact. Don’t allow evil to change your mind on this topic if you are a serious Christian.

Show me in The Golden Rule where it says anything like that! Matthew 7:12 ESV - The Golden Rule - “So whatever you - Bible Gateway

Or in the Sermon on the Mount. Matthew 5-7 NIV - Introduction to the Sermon on the Mount - Bible Gateway