[Golfingnut]

I believe (without intervention), the effect of climate change will be more disastrous than any threat the earth has ever seen. Climate dictates all that allows earth to function as it does. Small variation in temperature WILL transform earth of today into a moon like wasteland.

[rubicon]

The experts get variable degrees in temperature in any local area and to suggest that they can fold in all the variants needed to accurately predict rise in temperature into computer models is to underestimate the limits to our understanding of nature. In essence the very basic measure is subject to great failings

I would agree that climate change occurs. I doubt humans have that much of an affect and to suggest such is pure conceit. And to underestimate the power of nature to balance it all out is short sighted because nature outlook is long term while humans is short term

I agree with the struggle to keep American clear of pollutants that affect our waterways, cities, etc.

The EPA has declared war on carbon dioxide an element that is constantly and naturally occurring on a planet

Climate change means only one thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It is why Al Gore became a multi millionaire.

The campaign on climate control is based on junk science.

We would be better served to have our scientist engineers, etc focus on disease and cypersecurity that have had a direct affect and real affect on our lives.

[Cisco Kid]

When I was a boy,
First it was global cooling, then global warming, and now it's climate change ...
I'm going to wait for the next revision and then take another look at it.

[graciegirl]

I think....... that we do affect the ozone layer. We humans. But I KNOW that getting enough people to act differently is well nigh impossible. The humans aren't going to give up cars fueled by gas and other comforts. Some of us would. Some of us won't.


We can't get people to do things short term to help themselves, like working two jobs and saving money and reusing and repurposing and taking care of what they have. It is the beautiful young and idealistic who will argue with the old and sage. There are things that are right, but not feasible. You cannot change certain elements in certain people. In this case a LOT of people.


It will again be a huge argument that will further polarize people instead of motivating them to do what they can do to improve the air and water. Too many people do NOT care about anything but their own instant gratification. They do not plan or try to save the country's money. They don't realize that is the same principle. Waste not, want not. Necessity is the mother of hard work and the work ethic.


I know these things only because I am old.

[Golfingnut]

There is no question it's happening but because of many factors we are most likely already to late to turn it a round. That includes our stupidity and greed for more more more. I would say the young that are living in the fast lane today are doing the right thing as it is all they will have. In 30 to 40 years I don't see a livable earth.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by rubicon

The experts get variable degrees in temperature in any local area and to suggest that they can fold in all the variants needed to accurately predict rise in temperature into computer models is to underestimate the limits to our understanding of nature. In essence the very basic measure is subject to great failings

I would agree that climate change occurs. I doubt humans have that much of an affect and to suggest such is pure conceit. And to underestimate the power of nature to balance it all out is short sighted because nature outlook is long term while humans is short term

I agree with the struggle to keep American clear of pollutants that affect our waterways, cities, etc.

The EPA has declared war on carbon dioxide an element that is constantly and naturally occurring on a planet

Climate change means only one thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It is why Al Gore became a multi millionaire.

The campaign on climate control is based on junk science.

We would be better served to have our scientist engineers, etc focus on disease and cypersecurity that have had a direct affect and real affect on our lives.

Junk science REALLY.
97% of the scientific community KNOW global warming is happening and WHY.
the consensus project

[CFrance]

Golfingnut, you are just not going to be able to convince the naysayers that global warming is happening. You're just not. It's like trying to convince an atheist there is a God. If your purpose was to engage in some debate, then this is fine, but you are likely to get some nasty replies to your subject.

Just so's ya know.

[memason]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

... In 30 to 40 years I don't see a livable earth.

This is a little chicken little-ish...don't you think?

The earth [and nature] has an amazing ability to repair itself...

But hey, that's just my opinion....

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Golfingnut, you are just not going to be able to convince the naysayers that global warming is happening. You're just not. It's like trying to convince an atheist there is a God. If your purpose was to engage in some debate, then this is fine, but you are likely to get some nasty replies to your subject.

Just so's ya know.

Listen to this smart and kind woman.

[Arctic Fox]

The biggest mistake is calling it "Global Warming".

While technically correct, because the average temperature of the planet is increasing, people can point at one particularly cold winter (or cool summer) and say it proves global warming is a fallacy.

Call it "Climate Change" and most people would agree that is happening - colder winters, drier summers, more-powerful storms, more wildfires.

[DDoug]

Climate change is nothing than a tool for the powers to be to try and bring the world under one governing body. Any time you put a sphere spinning the center axis will tend to move,you can do this experiment with a bicycle wheel. Sin it and see if it wants to turn. By doing this with the earth you will some day move the spin of the earth and the poles will start to move and that causes the climate in certain areas of the world to change. Take it for what it's worth you dont have to believe it.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I believe (without intervention), the effect of climate change will be more disastrous than any threat the earth has ever seen. Climate dictates all that allows earth to function as it does. Small variation in temperature WILL transform earth of today into a moon like wasteland.

I believe this is like saying the sky is falling ... and that we are all doomed.

On the other hand, I do know that expanding the government's power will be the net result of climate change policy, along with ruining our already shaky economy. The irony is the Chinese will be laughing at us at the same time.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I believe (without intervention), the effect of climate change will be more disastrous than any threat the earth has ever seen. Climate dictates all that allows earth to function as it does. Small variation in temperature WILL transform earth of today into a moon like wasteland.

This will be fun!!!!

Thanks for putting a smile on my face and creating a thread to watch.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I believe this is like saying the sky is falling ... and that we are all doomed.

On the other hand, I do know that expanding the government's power will be the net result of climate change policy, along with ruining our already shaky economy. The irony is the Chinese will be laughing at us at the same time.

No worries... the Chinese will have asphyxiated their population by that time, due to their disregard for their citizens' health vis-a-vis their desire to push industry (and resultant pollutants).

Look how they had to ban auto traffic during the Olympics so the world wouldn't realize how polluted the area was.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Junk science REALLY.
97% of the scientific community KNOW global warming is happening and WHY.
the consensus project

Hi golfingnut: It has always amazed me how people can be manipulated and pressured. Example "Lottery "You can't win if you don't play". How many of us have been duped into that one? I can but my post most likely will be striken if I presented some political examples so I won't.

It is junk science fabricated to a preconceived conclusion. I question the 97% figure but will relinquish in your favor. But again global warming climate change is happening but its driven by nature's cycles perhaps cycles that stretch millions of years.

Other posters are spot on by suggesting its a nice way to control the uncontrollable. You see if you don't play you can't win." Well I ain't plying their game. Its silly science

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