[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I believe (without intervention), the effect of climate change will be more disastrous than any threat the earth has ever seen. Climate dictates all that allows earth to function as it does. Small variation in temperature WILL transform earth of today into a moon like wasteland.

Yeah - and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you for a great price!

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...91611041331266

[DDoug]

Bottom line economics rules

[kbace6]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Golfingnut, you are just not going to be able to convince the naysayers that global warming is happening. You're just not. It's like trying to convince an atheist there is a God. If your purpose was to engage in some debate, then this is fine, but you are likely to get some nasty replies to your subject.

Just so's ya know.

CFrance I agree with you in general. However I am one who used to believe in "Manmade Global Warming". Any time "Global Warming" or "Climate change" is mentioned the Manmade part is inferred no matter how it is labeled or spun and what it is called.

So why do I not believe in it today? Mainly because about 15 years ago it started no not smell right to me. Once people started to propose money making enterprises, such as "Carbon Credits". That made me raise an eyebrow. Now with the theory of the "Hockey Stick" found to be...... A hoax would be too strong of a word. So let's say poor scientific practice. There is NO PROVEN link between manmade CO2 emissions and a rise in the Earth's temperature. I can not believe any scientific research that builds off of the "Hockey Stick" theory. The scientific community has to re-prove everything as far as I am concerned.

I do not care that the emails dis-proving the "Hockey Stick" theory were stolen. I only care what they say and that the incriminated scientists do not deny any of it.

Climate Email Leak: University Of East Anglia Slams Apparent New Leak

I'm not saying that the rise in the over all Earth's temperature is not caused by manmade things. I am saying it has NEVER been proven to my satisfaction. I am open to the idea, but you have to prove it. And I do not believe any climate change scientists whose funding relies on perpetuating this agenda. Nor any scientists whose funding relies on dis-proving it. I have found one with who I find very credible though. His name is Richard Linden of MIT. Here is an article about him and his work.

I say again, I am open to the idea, but you have to prove it to me first.

Richard Lindzen: A Case Against Precipitous Climate Action | Watts Up With That?

No bomb tossing folks, this is just a fairly researched opinion that likely clashes with some others.

Love you folks here on TOTV.

[Cisco Kid]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Junk science REALLY.
97% of the scientific community KNOW global warming is happening and WHY.
the consensus project

I looked @ the website.
It said the debate was over.
terminate the thread.

[billethkid]

it is truly amazing how some can speak with such authority on a subject they know little more about than they read or talk about. Even if they read/listen to how ever many so called experts.

Just what is it that has been presented that would convince anybody that those who believe....who have been residents of the planet for how long....for the sake of argument let's just say 75 years. 75 years out of how many thousands of years has the earth been here? And we are to believe they are so scientifically accurate to be able to predict how many tenths of an inch or degree something is going to change 100 to 300 years out in time! And then go so far as to predict how all the other elements of the earth will react year by year!

I put this subject in the same category as the list of "forecasters who have predicted the end of the world for what ever reason over the same 75 years some have been on the planet. Thousands of forecasts.

Hence not worth spending any time on it. And the real kiss of death on this subject? It is just another political contrivance.

[Golfingnut]

Could I possibly be wrong? If it does happen, my concern will be simple. How much more will I have to pay to keep my beer cold?

[Cisco Kid]

Scientists warn if we dont act now to stop global warming, Ice Road Truckers could be cancelled as early as 2030.

[Golfingnut]

LOL. I love this site.

[Golf View]

Originally Posted by GolfingNUT

There is no question it's happening but because of many factors we are most likely already to late to turn it a round. That includes our stupidity and greed for more more more. I would say the young that are living in the fast lane today are doing the right thing as it is all they will have. In 30 to 40 years I don't see a livable earth.

I will be packing my bags to move to Mars while there is still time.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by billethkid

it is truly amazing how some can speak with such authority on a subject they know little more about than they read or talk about. Even if they read/listen to how ever many so called experts.

Just what is it that has been presented that would convince anybody that those who believe....who have been residents of the planet for how long....for the sake of argument let's just say 75 years. 75 years out of how many thousands of years has the earth been here? And we are to believe they are so scientifically accurate to be able to predict how many tenths of an inch or degree something is going to change 100 to 300 years out in time! And then go so far as to predict how all the other elements of the earth will react year by year!

I put this subject in the same category as the list of "forecasters who have predicted the end of the world for what ever reason over the same 75 years some have been on the planet. Thousands of forecasts.

Hence not worth spending any time on it. And the real kiss of death on this subject? It is just another political contrivance.

I don't think anybody on either side has any irrefutable proof, despite the fact that there are much more advanced scientific measuring sticks around today than there were 60 years ago when those 75-year-olds were teenagers, and despite the fact that some people are making $ off the theory.

So this is nothing more than a debate, which is a perfectly legitimate exercise, in my opinion. I stick with my original statement that nobody is going to convince anybody the change his/her mind on the subject.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I don't think anybody on either side has any irrefutable proof, despite the fact that there are much more advanced scientific measuring sticks around today than there were 60 years ago when those 75-year-olds were teenagers, and despite the fact that some people are making $ off the theory.

So this is nothing more than a debate, which is a perfectly legitimate exercise, in my opinion. I stick with my original statement that nobody is going to convince anybody the change his/her mind on the subject.

Your so right. But not the debate part. It is opinion from some and insult from others. That is at least one constant you can bet on. I would debate what will happen in the future and I certainly exaggerated the 30 to 40 year prediction, but not to believe it is happening is to be a blind fool.

[TheVillageChicken]

I blame it on the ruminants.

[l2ridehd]

These same "scientist" can't even predict the weather correctly tomorrow and be accurate more than 25% of the time. I do believe we have climate change. I do believe the North pole is shrinking and the South pole is growing. I do not believe we have any impact on the cause. Termites cause more CO2 in a day than man does in a 100 years. I do believe we had a negative impact on the ozone layer. I do believe we need to do everything possible to clean up our rivers and streams and oceans. But to believe man has caused the climate change is one of the biggest hoax that we have been subjected to since Ponzi. Can we do better for our environment? Absolutely yes.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

To each their own. Live you life the way you want to but don't force others to do what YOU believe is the right thing OK. Reduce pollution...yes. Global warming...No.

[buggyone]

Of course, climate change is occuring. That is a proven fact! Is it all a natural thing? Is it all a manmade thing? No one knows for sure except that climate change is happening.

With all of the world industry spewing contaminants and gasses into the atmosphere, you have a major cause of climate change. I would venture to say that the industry and car gasses are a huge part of the climate change.

Clean those up to a large degree and we will be able to slow down climate change.

BTW, Golfingnut, your new avatar shows a nice looking car. What kind is it? I am sure that Mrs. Golfingnut picked it out for you.