[Hacker1]

The climate has been changing ever since the world began - for millions of years. We have climate data going back about 140 years or so. The earth has gone through at least two ice ages, followed by periods of warming and melting.
Did anyone notice the article in the Daily Sun a couple of weeks ago saying that scientists have very strong evidence of droughts in California hundreds or thousands of years ago of much greater severity and duration than the current one? This was shortly after our President in his State of the Union declared that the current California drought is definitly caused by man-made climate change.
We should continue to take reasonable measures to keep our air clean -- and America has done far more of that than any other Nation. Here's an idea: If those politicians clamoring for action to control climate change were really interested in a solution, rather than a political issue, they could propose a climate change tax on all goods imported from China.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Could I possibly be wrong? If it does happen, my concern will be simple. How much more will I have to pay to keep my beer cold?

There's more to it than that. Have you ever studied the "fizzics" of beer?
All those little bubbles (fizz) are made up of carbon dioxide. So every time someone opens a bottle or can of beer, they are contributing to "global warming." Then comes the belch and the fart, and we are in big trouble.

[Hacker1]

Originally Posted by Hacker1

The climate has been changing ever since the world began - for millions of years. We have climate data going back about 140 years or so. The earth has gone through at least two ice ages, followed by periods of warming and melting.
Did anyone notice the article in the Daily Sun a couple of weeks ago saying that scientists have very strong evidence of droughts in California hundreds or thousands of years ago of much greater severity and duration than the current one? This was shortly after our President in his State of the Union declared that the current California drought is definitly caused by man-made climate change.
We should continue to take reasonable measures to keep our air clean -- and America has done far more of that than any other Nation. Here's an idea: If those politicians clamoring for action to control climate change were really interested in a solution, rather than a political issue, they could propose a climate change tax on all goods imported from China.

Oh, and I forgot to mention I saw a report on Fox News Sunday recently that the effects of the current drouth in California are being exacerbated by the Federal Government's refusal to release water that could be used to irrigate crops (or help relieve shortages in cities), in order to preserve habitat for some threatened or endangered fish species.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

There's more to it than that. Have you ever studied the "fizzics" of beer?
All those little bubbles (fizz) are made up of carbon dioxide. So every time someone opens a bottle or can of beer, they are contributing to "global warming." Then comes the belch and the fart, and we are in big trouble.

OMG. Don't tell me that.

[graciegirl]

I think, but am not sure, that poor people and rich people both fart.

[DianeM]

Let's be real here. Global climate changes all the time. Some years are mild and some are horrendous. If all the doom and gloom is correct, it will take a long time and I'll be long gone and not care anymore.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think, but am not sure, that poor people and rich people both fart.

But it don't stink if your rich.

[perrjojo]

Yup, the climate is changing. I think I read in the past couple billion years there have been five ice ages. Of course we humans have an effect on the Earth but as George Carlin once said, the Earth does not need us to save it because Mother Nature will just shake us humans off like a dog shaking off a flea.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Junk science REALLY.
97% of the scientific community KNOW global warming is happening and WHY.
the consensus project

I didn't even think this was a debate anymore. The huge amount of science that points to the increase of trapped greenhouse gases is overwhelming. Yet, folks with little or no scientific knowledge of the issue feel free to state their "feelings" on the matter.

[gomoho]

As a human on this planet I try and do what I can to be conscious of my footprint that I may leave on this earth. But I believe if every American did everything right as far as the environment it would hardly be a blip on the radar screen when you look at what the rest of the world is doing. We need to do the best we can with what we have, but have to balance the good of man vs the endangered fish or bug or bird or whatever. Once again if only we could use common sense!

[l2ridehd]

Arctic Fox.

I don't see anyone saying climate change is not happening. I certainly believe it is. I just doubt that any scientist can accurately predict it. And the blonde bimbos only parrot from a teleprompter, they don't forecast the weather, they use many meteorologists to do that for them. Part of the same scientific community that project global warming. My disagreement comes from mans impact on the cause and mans ability to change the direction. I don't believe we are causing it and I don't believe we can change it. That is very different than doubting it is happening. This earth had global warming and ice ages in many cycles long before man ever burned a single lump of coal. And it will have them after we are long gone. I will spend my cycles on something I can impact and will make a difference like water quality. Not tilt at windmills on something I can't change.

[rubicon]

Let's approach this differently

History tells us that at one point in time most people believed the earth was flat, except the skeptics (deniers) . HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

History tells us that 1950 many Americans believed that all that junk they were launching into space was having an adverse affect on our weather.

Let's suppose the climate modelers are correct. it becomes a bad news -good news scenario. If Bangladesh floods its good news for Greenland which desires to break from Denmark. Profit from those adjoining countries around the melting Arctic would gain profit from recoverable minerals, etc. including the USA

The are two known facts, carbon dioxide has increased due to fossil fuels, and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas. what is not known is how much of the Earth's atmosphere will warm into this added carbon. From the surface to 75,000 feet above is the most vulnerable yet scientist have yet to prove heating is occurring there.

Theorist have over stated the variables in their computer model and as years pass and their predictions fail they re-work the numbers to be softer to fit their predictions

What is known for sure is that the Koyoto Protocol Pact failed and renewables still haven't proved cost effective. Every Telsa that comes off the assembly line means taypayers are picking up a heavy credit

[Golfingnut]

[QUOTE=rubicon;835241]

Let's approach this differently

History tells us that at one point in time most people believed the earth was flat, except the skeptics (deniers) . HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

History tells us that 1950 many Americans believed that all that junk they were launching into space was having an adverse affect on our weather.

Let's suppose the climate modelers are correct. it becomes a bad news -good news scenario. If Bangladesh floods its good news for Greenland which desires to break from Denmark. Profit from those adjoining countries around the melting Arctic would gain profit from recoverable minerals, etc. including the USA

The are two known facts, carbon dioxide has increased due to fossil fuels, and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas. what is not known is how much of the Earth's atmosphere will warm into this added carbon. From the surface to 75,000 feet above is the most vulnerable yet scientist have yet to prove heating is occurring there.

Theorist have over stated the variables in their computer model and as years pass and their predictions fail they re-work the numbers to be softer to fit their predictions

What is known for sure is that the Koyoto Protocol Pact failed and renewables still haven't proved cost effective. Every Telsa that comes off the assembly line means taypayers are picking up a heavy credit[/

You need some of my wisdom or some serious drugs to bring you back to reality.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by DianeM

Let's be real here. Global climate changes all the time. Some years are mild and some are horrendous. If all the doom and gloom is correct, it will take a long time and I'll be long gone and not care anymore.

We will all be gone, but our grandchildren and their grandchildren will pay the price for our foolish attitudes.

[Golfingnut]

I love all TOTV posters, but as all are created equal, the grey matter was not distributed equal.