[DianeM]

Originally Posted by blueash

That's the second time you have posted that exact claim. Evidence please? How about actually dealing with the topic of the thread. What should be done now to plan to hold an election in a Covid active situation? Other than not let dead people vote.

Leave it as it is. Likely November will no longer be the insanity we’re seeing now.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Eric Eggers: You Don't Have to Take Trump's Word to See Mail-In Vote Fraud

I read your link to a Breitbart story. In the article they cite exactly ONE case of known fraud where a blind person swore that his ballot was stolen. I could find more cases of mail in fraud using google. I also could find more cases of vote in person fraud using google. The rest of the Breitbart article was opinion, unsupported by evidence. After reading the article I guess I am guilt of something they find fraudulent. I may have taken a mail in ballot that was not my own to the mail box. Horrors.

[CarolSells]

I personally believe that every able bodied American should, if at all possible, vote in person at their designated polling place. I recognize that there are many legitimate exceptions.

People complain about standing in line but they’ll cheerfully stand in line for at least an hour to get into the Haunted House attraction at Disney World.

Early voting seems to work; in 2016 I breezed right in and out of my polling place here in TV.

Massive voting by mail here in Florida? What could possibly go wrong? ������

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by CarolSells

I personally believe that every able bodied American should, if at all possible, vote in person at their designated polling place. I recognize that there are many legitimate exceptions.

People complain about standing in line but they’ll cheerfully stand in line for at least an hour to get into the Haunted House attraction at Disney World.

Early voting seems to work; in 2016 I breezed right in and out of my polling place here in TV.

Massive voting by mail here in Florida? What could possibly go wrong? ������

Your Disney comparison is perfect and spot on.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by DianeM

You asked me if schools are used should they be closed. I responded with the info I had experience with. It is not a two day process. Voting equipment is delivered the night before when no classes are in session.

Not here in the Villages. As I pointed out I am asking about Florida. The rooms in the rec centers which are to be used for voting are closed the day before, not the night before. Your experience in NY may not apply here. You still didn't tell me if the rules in Florida should be changed so that schools are closed on election day. That would be planning ahead. School calendars are finalized in the summer or before. Some schools need to clear changes well ahead of time because of negotiated contracts. An extra day might need to be added to make up for the cancelled day or days. Planning is what I am asking about.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You mean fear such as having the new black panthers hanging out just outside polling places?

But you are right in a way, dead people have no fear, and they vote early and often, 99.9% for one party.

Oh yeah, there's no election fraud

The woman in Ohio who voted 7 times had no fear either, and she worked for the election board.

Oh yeah, there's no election fraud.

I strongly support in person voting and voter ID. An election should be won at the ballot box, not by the candidate that generates the most fraud. This isn't Venezuela

From recollection, and can trace links for you , but I have read much on this subject and there were election frauds found in the TEENS...less than 20 in Ohio during the election you site.

Actually the only voter fraud I have read of any consequences happened in North Carolina where ballots were manipulated to such a degree, the election had to be re done.

There just has been NO fraud to speak of with mail ins

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Rags123

From recollection, and can trace links for you , but I have read much on this subject and there were election frauds found in the TEENS...less than 20 in Ohio during the election you site.

Actually the only voter fraud I have read of any consequences happened in North Carolina where ballots were manipulated to such a degree, the election had to be re done.

There just has been NO fraud to speak of with mail ins

a) Election fraud does exist, anyone who doesn't believe that must live in Fantasyland

b) To date, I agree that the election fraud in the US has been minimal and has not impacted the results of any national election

c) Mail in ballot fraud is also minimal, mostly because such a small percentage of voting is done by mail, mostly military and those travelling

d) However, and it's a BIG HOWEVER, if 100% of the voting was done by mail, you can guarantee the amount of fraud will be huge, and very well might have an impact on the results

[manaboutown]

LBJ won his first elected office with ballot box stuffing, a form of voter fraud. Box 13 scandal - Wikipedia

Voters need to be assiduously identified.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by CarolSells

I personally believe that every able bodied American should, if at all possible, vote in person at their designated polling place. I recognize that there are many legitimate exceptions.

People complain about standing in line but they’ll cheerfully stand in line for at least an hour to get into the Haunted House attraction at Disney World.

Early voting seems to work; in 2016 I breezed right in and out of my polling place here in TV.

Massive voting by mail here in Florida? What could possibly go wrong? ������

You do know we already have "massive voting by mail" here in Florida. Do you think we should repeal that law? Over 2.5 million of the 8 million total people voted by mail in the general election in 2018. Either that election was a fraud or we should accept the outcome as legitimate. If you accept the results, then why would you reject a result in which more voted by mail. Would you find standing in line during a Covid outbreak as much fun at a line at Disney World. They did close Disney World due to Covid risk.

Voting in person may provide a tiny increased voter security. How many additional deaths is ok by having forced stand in line for that tiny added security? How would you change anything in November if we have an uptick in Covid in October as happened in 1918 after they thought the flu had quieted down? other than getting rid of mail in votes and having people stand in line of course. We could call the Corona-ride!

[Moderator]

This thread is on life support. If you want to discuss the topic, it will survive. If you want to continue throwing rocks at each other, it won’t last long. Your choice.

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[CarolSells]

“In 2016, the elections department sent out incomplete mail-in ballots. Lawsuits filed after that election also accused the office of opening mail-in ballots in private and illegally destroying ballots prematurely. In 2012, nearly 1,000 ballots were found uncounted in an elections department warehouse.”

Courthousenews.com

[blueash]

Originally Posted by DianeM

Yes they should be closed for Election Day. There! Happy now?. And truly what does schools have to do with registered voters in TV? You vote in your district. But you wouldn’t know that because you’re too lazy to be bothered showing up.

I am asking for a plan for the entire state of Florida, not for here only. Read the first post on the thread. Read about what just happened in Wisconsin. Click the links. See that GOP election officials are asking for a plan and there is not one at this time. So all those people who vote by mail are lazy. Good to know. I have always said lazy people should be denied the vote. You have convinced me and now I support a requirement for completion of an obstacle course before you can get to the ballot box.

It is important that qualified voters be energetic and also prove they have been working out regularly. I'd support no more renewing your driver's license via the mail or pay your real estate tax bill. Go stand in line you lazy person. Oh, no more paying your gas or electric except going to the SECO and TECO building and pay in person. Yes, choosing to do something by mail rather than in person is absolutely evidence of lazy. Thanks for clearing that up.

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by blueash

I am asking for a plan for the entire state of Florida, not for here only. Read the first post on the thread. Read about what just happened in Wisconsin. Click the links. See that GOP election officials are asking for a plan and there is not one at this time. So all those people who vote by mail are lazy. Good to know. I have always said lazy people should be denied the vote. You have convinced me and now I support a requirement for completion of an obstacle course before you can get to the ballot box.

It is important that qualified voters be energetic and also prove they have been working out regularly. I'd support no more renewing your driver's license via the mail or pay your real estate tax bill. Go stand in line you lazy person. Oh, no more paying your gas or electric except going to the SECO and TECO building and pay in person. Yes, choosing to do something by mail rather than in person is absolutely evidence of lazy. Thanks for clearing that up.

No problem. It truly was my pleasure. Energy has nothing to do with it. Validity does.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by CarolSells

“In 2016, the elections department sent out incomplete mail-in ballots. Lawsuits filed after that election also accused the office of opening mail-in ballots in private and illegally destroying ballots prematurely. In 2012, nearly 1,000 ballots were found uncounted in an elections department warehouse.”

Courthousenews.com

Yes Florida elections are a mess. The hanging chads ballot was in person voting. I'm not sure what point you're making about the 2012 ballots that were found late. 83% of them were ballots cast at the voting site. So apparently having people vote in person does not guarantee a perfect election. Is that your point?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Moderator

This thread is on life support. If you want to discuss the topic, it will survive. If you want to continue throwing rocks at each other, it won’t last long. Your choice.

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Thanks for trying. I am concerned about whether there are enough ventilators if we need to go on life support. /s