[Chi-Town]

Thanks Richie for recommending the Daily Kos. I had never heard of it before, but now it's in my favorites just above the Drudge Report.

[Tbugs]

I wonder if there is something in the water in the Village of Bonita?

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by Tbugs

I wonder if there is something in the water in the Village of Bonita?

You're just a cheap shot artist with little capacity for intelligent discourse. What's your damage?

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Thanks Richie for recommending the Daily Kos. I had never heard of it before, but now it's in my favorites just above the Drudge Report.

Chi-Town, there are many Progressive blogs on the Internet. The Daily Kos crowd is in a class all their own though, IMHO. Just one example of their mindset was the death of Tony Snow. The Daily Kos blogged their wishes thatTony Snow's cancer had been contagious and killed everyone at Fox News and every Conservative he associates with. The Drudge Report is right up there though. Keep looking, there are many other Progressive attitudes and blogs out there to get your info from.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Chi-Town, there are many Progressive blogs on the Internet. The Daily Kos crowd is in a class all their own though, IMHO. Just one example of their mindset was the death of Tony Snow. The Daily Kos blogged their wishes thatTony Snow's cancer had been contagious and killed everyone at Fox News and every Conservative he associates with. The Drudge Report is right up there though. Keep looking, there are many other Progressive attitudes and blogs out there to get your info from.

One thing for sure bk, there are nutty bloggers on both sides that write hurtful things that would get their arses kicked for if they weren't hiding behind a screen name. I find myself using USAToday.com as my news source and The Villages Daily Sun for entertainment. TOTV is my local news source. I notice that people who watch and listen to political pundits all day and night are an uptight bunch. Life's too short.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Here's an interesting article that was printed in Atlantic Magazine by security expert and author Bruce Schneier that discusses the reasons that the TSA can't now back down on it's scanner and enhanced pat-down protocols and procedures.

It's also verifies my earlier stories that the TSA shut down these procedures on Thanksgiving weekend to foil planned protests.

He puts forth some interesting analysis on why the agency can not now back down on the enhanced pat-downs and expect people to instead go through the backscatter body scanner.

[Text of the article removed - Tony]

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...ck-down/67337/

Hi RichieLion,
A bit of a coincidence. I just spoke with a friend who flew the day before and day after Thanksgiving. She said the scanners and enhanced pat-downs were being conducted. So I Googled "relaxed airport security during thanksgiving" and a couple of other search terms and couldn't find any articles. So, I logged on to TOTV to come here to ask you for any news articles about this and saw that you linked to a blog this morning.

Schneier's opinion blog to which you linked does claim that TSA turned off the machines at most airports during Thanksgiving. However, he bases this on a link he provides to an unpublished news release from a group called "We Won't Fly". The "We Wont Fly" release states that some subscribers told "We Wont Fly" that they thought they witnessed reduced procedures.

So, would you mind sharing with me where you got the information that TSA changed its security procedures during holiday travel. I cannot find any evidence and a friend tells me that she saw the enhanced scanners and pat downs used at two airports over the holidays.

Thanks.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Hi RichieLion,
A bit of a coincidence. I just spoke with a friend who flew the day before and day after Thanksgiving. She said the scanners and enhanced pat-downs were being conducted. So I Googled "relaxed airport security during thanksgiving" and a couple of other search terms and couldn't find any articles. So, I logged on to TOTV to come here to ask you for any news articles about this and saw that you linked to a blog this morning.

Schneier's opinion blog to which you linked does claim that TSA turned off the machines at most airports during Thanksgiving. However, he bases this on a link he provides to an unpublished news release from a group called "We Won't Fly". The "We Wont Fly" release states that some subscribers told "We Wont Fly" that they thought they witnessed reduced procedures.

So, would you mind sharing with me where you got the information that TSA changed its security procedures during holiday travel. I cannot find any evidence and a friend tells me that she saw the enhanced scanners and pat downs used at two airports over the holidays.

Thanks.

Just a quick search Cuz, but I found this:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...t_controv.html

http://www.ajc.com/business/hartsfie...ig-752867.html

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You're just a cheap shot artist with little capacity for intelligent discourse. What's your damage?

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Just a quick search Cuz, but I found this:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...t_controv.html

http://www.ajc.com/business/hartsfie...ig-752867.html

Thanks Cuz. The articles suggest that enhanced screening was used during the holiday at Newark and ATL, with inconsistent accounts regarding to what extent.

[tpop1]

(or should that be my fingers???) ......thru 70 posts but I need someone to explain to me, why when we had a nice civil discussion about President Bush's visit here,
there were suggestions that it be moved to the political forum,

Yet I have not seen anyone suggest this thread

nor several others like it be moved to that forum.

IT IS POLITICAL in tone and has posters denegrating each others viewpoints. It not why this visitor comes to TOTV and why this poster does not subscribe to the Political Forum!

Maybe we need a way to filter posts that we don't want to see?
_

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Thanks Cuz. The articles suggest that enhanced screening was used during the holiday at Newark and ATL, with inconsistent accounts regarding to what extent.

I must have misread the lede paragraphs: "The choice between a "virtual strip search" and a "grope" was strictly academic Wednesday for most holiday travelers flying out of Newark Liberty International Airport.

"The majority of Newark’s full-body scanners were idle throughout much of the day, depriving most passengers of the chance to opt out of the controversial screening procedure even if they had wanted to..."

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...t_controv.html


And this in the Atlanta Journalarticle: "...Many of the scanners at the main security checkpoint were roped off at mid-day Tuesday. Transportation Security Administration spokesman Jonathan Allen said travelers should expect the enhanced security measures, such as the scanners, to operate "just as they would any other day." He didn't address why the full body scanners appeared to not be in use Tuesday."

http://www.ajc.com/business/hartsfie...ig-752867.html

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by tpop1

(or should that be my fingers???) ......thru 70 posts but I need someone to explain to me, why when we had a nice civil discussion about President Bush's visit here,
there were suggestions that it be moved to the political forum,

Yet I have not seen anyone suggest this thread

nor several others like it be moved to that forum.

IT IS POLITICAL in tone and has posters denegrating each others viewpoints. It not why this visitor comes to TOTV and why this poster does not subscribe to the Political Forum!

Maybe we need a way to filter posts that we don't want to see?
_

I often skip threads if they have titles that don't interest me. I'm honestly not trying to be harsh, but if you find the 70 posts on this thread offensive or rude, why not skip the thread completely?

I don't think this thread belongs in Political; it is a discussion about security procedures. And obviously it is a "hot topic" and many people are interested and commenting on it.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I must have misread the lede paragraphs: "The choice between a "virtual strip search" and a "grope" was strictly academic Wednesday for most holiday travelers flying out of Newark Liberty International Airport.

"The majority of Newark’s full-body scanners were idle throughout much of the day, depriving most passengers of the chance to opt out of the controversial screening procedure even if they had wanted to..."

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...t_controv.html


And this in the Atlanta Journalarticle: "...Many of the scanners at the main security checkpoint were roped off at mid-day Tuesday. Transportation Security Administration spokesman Jonathan Allen said travelers should expect the enhanced security measures, such as the scanners, to operate "just as they would any other day." He didn't address why the full body scanners appeared to not be in use Tuesday."

http://www.ajc.com/business/hartsfie...ig-752867.html

Hi Cuz,
I see no reason to think you misread the articles. The quotes you pulled out seem to suggest that the enhanced screening was used at the two airports and that accounts regarding the extent to which they were used were inconsistent.

For example: "Transportation Security Administration spokesman Jonathan Allen said travelers should expect the enhanced security measures, such as the scanners, to operate 'just as they would any other day'. " Yet the TSA spokesperson "didn't address" why many of the scanners were roped off.

That struck me as... inconsistent. Perhaps it is I who misread. Or perhaps we're just splitting some hairs. Or perhaps it's Miller time (though don't hold me to the brand).

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Hi Cuz,
I see no reason to think you misread the articles. The quotes you pulled out seem to suggest that the enhanced screening was used at the two airports and that accounts regarding the extent to which they were used were inconsistent.

For example: "Transportation Security Administration spokesman Jonathan Allen said travelers should expect the enhanced security measures, such as the scanners, to operate 'just as they would any other day'. " Yet the TSA spokesperson "didn't address" why many of the scanners were roped off.

That struck me as... inconsistent. Perhaps it is I who misread. Or perhaps we're just splitting some hairs. Or perhaps it's Miller time (though don't hold me to the brand).

Back in the day, I wouldn't have gotten away with that "iffy" writing. My editors would have had my head and had me on the phone until presstime.
Sometimes it Coors Light, sometimes it's Bombay Shapphire and tonic. But don't hold me to that either. Cheers!!

[Tom Hannon]

The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.

It’s a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. They see this as a win-win for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. Justice would be swift. Case closed!

You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system . . .

"Attention standby passengers — we now have a seat available on flight number XXXX. Shalom!"

Hats off to the Israelis!!!!