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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Well, what do we have here? Three choices:

1. A liar who is telling this story for self aggrandizement.

2. A man with no integrity, who violated his oath of office.

3. A man who is mentally ill and who believes his hallucinations.

I'll give it a #3.

I watched about the first half before giving up in disgust. First off, I knew something was wrong at about 3 minutes in when he spoke of getting a "White House Q Clearance." There's no such thing. I worked in the White House for six years. I was one of a very few Secret Service agents who had a "Q" clearance, which was issued by the Atomic Energy Commission for access to certain AEC facilities and information. It has nothing to do with the White House.

Then further in this guy claims that Eisenhower had him in to the Oval Office where Eisenhower directed him to go to Area 51 and threaten them with invasion by the First Army if they did not cooperate. (Lifted from the movie Seven Days in May.)

But, I quit watching when the guy claimed that he got into Area 51 and found the storage area where the individual units had garage doors that opened to disclose "a variety of space ships" to include the one from the Roswell Crash.

Sorry, I have better things to occupy my mind.

I would acquiesce to your expertise. However whether this individual's account is valid or not does not negate the possibility/probability/provability of alien life forms. Its only one man's account.

Personal Best Regards:

[Lottoguy]

As usual another one steps forward with a cynical remark. This is exactly why the government won't come forward with the truth. Some just cannot handle it.

[Lottoguy]

I believe in what people like Gordon Cooper has said in his rare interview. I guess that just doesn't count for anything? Or the countless documents that have been discovered? Your dealing with this in your own way. An open mind is needed as well as a skeptical one.

You should read the entire document from General Nathan Twining. LINE A is what says it all.

Twining Letter

[Lottoguy]

What about Gordon Cooper's testimony? Is he lying too?

An Astronaut's UFO Experience - Gordon Cooper - YouTube

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Lottoguy

What about Gordon Cooper's testimony? Is he lying too?

An Astronaut's UFO Experience - Gordon Cooper - YouTube

There are those who will believe this and other that will not. I do not think you will change anyone's mind.

I do not feel any danger, or a need to do something if it were true. Why is it important to convince others of your beliefs?

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

There are those who will believe this and other that will not. I do not think you will change anyone's mind.

I do not feel any danger, or a need to do something if it were true. Why is it important to convince others of your beliefs?

Sounds like a great time these days for "Desiderata", doesn't it?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Why is it important to convince others of your beliefs?

Posters who feel strongly about a topic, like Lottoguy, want their feelings to be known.
I know you love the Villages and strongly believe the Developers are doing a fine job (as do I).
You want others to hear your beliefs about The Villages, right?

[Lottoguy]

The Villages are great! And the subject of ET is a very interesting topic. It opens up a huge avenue of alternative thinking. Once your mind is opened you finally realize why others are so interested in it. It's about connecting the dots. For example, Roswell happened it July 1947. Two months later because of what was discovered Truman started the CIA and other secretive agencies. Of course some people in government like James Forrestal wanted the public to know. And was killed because of it.
The TOP SECRET Kennedy Forrestal UFO Connection - YouTube
TOP SECRET Document reveals James Forrestal was murdered - YouTube

[Lottoguy]

I'm only pointing out things that very few are aware of. It's just a very interesting subject. The two greatest mysteries are: 1/ What happens after we die? 2/ Are we alone? How can anyone not be interested in these two subjects?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Lottoguy

I'm only pointing out things that very few are aware of. It's just a very interesting subject. The two greatest mysteries are: 1/ What happens after we die? 2/ Are we alone? How can anyone not be interested in these two subjects?

Obviously I'm guessing, but I think most people avoid these subjects for three reasons...
Some people genuinely have no interest in the topic. That's hard for people who have a genuine interest to understand.
I think that many people avoid these topics due to religious training.
And perhaps because it's speculation rather than fact.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Obviously I'm guessing, but I think most people avoid these subjects for three reasons...
Some people genuinely have no interest in the topic. That's hard for people who have a genuine interest to understand.
I think that many people avoid these topics due to religious training.
And perhaps because it's speculation rather than fact.

Well said.

[Lottoguy]

I'm way past speculation. As many others have as well. It's not longer speculation when you have factual documents straight from the National Archives. Not to mention eye witness reports from astronauts, pilots etc.
C-SPAN: Buzz Aldrin Reveals Existence of Monolith on Mars Moon - YouTube
Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD - YouTube
NASA Astronaut Blows Whistle On UFOs - Brian OLeary - YouTube

[graciegirl]

Mr. Lottoguy.

If it were true it doesn't appear to change anything about our daily lives. Your belief doesn't harm anyone. Most of us are worried about other things.

[Cisco Kid]

Of course the government is not going to tell us about the sky people. As bad as they %$@& up this country we would want to leave. Who would they tax. You can leave your state and move to TV, but you can't leave the planet. Yet.

[NotGolfer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Mr. Lottoguy.

If it were true it doesn't appear to change anything about our daily lives. Your belief doesn't harm anyone. Most of us are worried about other things.

Amen to this Gracie!! Conspiracy Theories abound....they make for interesting conversation and speculation. I choose to put my concerns elsewhere.